Kerry v Cork All Ireland Final 2009

[cadhlancian]

whats going on? 11 pages the thursday before the AISFF, wtf? The minor match has almost as many!

[Chris agus Snoop]

How many kerry players will retire if they get  beat?
2  left after their beating in munster.

[Frank Casey]

Betting movements very interesting. Cork have drifted out slightly on Boyles and Paddy Powers to evens from 5/6 with Kerry narrowing to 11/10. Cashmans, Cork based, have Cork coming in from evens to 5/6 and kerry going out from evens to 23/20. Must be a share of cash going on the rebels ar home. Handicap is 1pt.

Paddy Powers have either Galvin or O'Leary to be sent off at 5/1, both to go at 50/1 or both to be caught kissing on the pitch by RTE cameras at 100/1.

[Zapatista]

Cork for me. Can't disagree with Zulu there.

Cork to finally break the mould and win with a few to spare. I think Corks win over Tyronewill have really matured them and will have set them up perfectly for the biggest of big days. It won't have gone unnoticed in Kerry that all the pundits are saying 'cork outTyroned Tyrone'. I can't see Cork having any complexes mentally approaching this final.

[stew]

Cork for me. Can't disagree with Zulu there.

Cork to finally break the mould and win with a few to spare. I think Corks win over Tyronewill have really matured them and will have set them up perfectly for the biggest of big days. It won't have gone unnoticed in Kerry that all the pundits are saying 'cork outTyroned Tyrone'. I can't see Cork having any complexes mentally approaching this final.

Cork destroyed the team that Kerry couldnt beat when it mattered, Cork will not accept anything less than a win on Sunday and I expect them to lift Sam however Kerry will put it up to them, lying in the weeds will suit Kerry and losing to Cork in the AIF is not worth thinking about for this team. Cork to win by a point, 1-11 - 1-10

[Frank Casey]

Team named

(1) Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) (2) Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (3) Tommy Griffin (Dingle) (4) Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) (5) Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (6) Mike McCarthy (Kilcummin) (7) Killian Young (Renard) ( Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (9) Seamus Scanlon (Currow) (10) Paul Galvin (Finuge) (11) Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada ) (12) Tadhg Kennelly (Listowel Emmett's) (13) Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) (14) Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahilly) (15) Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) (Captain)
Subs: Ger Reidy (Castleisland Desmonds) Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) Donnacha Walsh (Cromane) Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's) Micheál Quirke (Kerins O'Rahillys) Paul O'Connor (Kenmare) Padraig Reidy (Scartaglin) David Moran (Kerins O'Rahilly's) Anthony Maher (Duagh) Seán O'Sullivan (Cromane) Daniel Bohan (Austin Stacks) Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) Aidan O'Shea (Glenbeigh/Glencar) Maurice Corridan (Finuge)) Barry John Walsh  (Kerins O'Rahillys) Kieran Quirke (Duagh) Rónán Ó Flatharta (An Ghaeltacht)

[INDIANA]

I'm getting more bullish by the day, and I have no doubt Cork WILL win the AI final. I have tried to look at this from every angle and I just can't see how Kerry can win. I do think Kerry will shade midfield and I expect their full forward line to improve upon their Munster semi final efforts but I think they'll have serious problems containing Cork as an attacking threat. I also think Cork have way more options on the bench, I know Donaghy and Walsh (if the rumours are true) can come in for Kerry but Donaghy isn't match fit and I doubt he'll make much of a difference. Walsh could cause problems alright but he can be a bit hit and miss and Shields or Cadogan would be well able for him physically. Can Donnacha Walsh track Miskella, I'd doubt it and because he isn't a real scoring threat Miskella will be free to get forward as much as he likes. Galvin and O'Leary will be worth the admission price alone but I expect O'Leary to break even here and there is a good chance neither man will finish the game. This is a very important duel for Kerry however because if Galvin gets the better of O'Leary they don't really have anyone who can come in, everywhere else Cork have replacements for malfunctioning areas but not here.

The Gooch and Lynch is another box office match up and I think the Gooch will get the better of Lynchy, if he doesn't then Kerry could take a bit of a hiding as I expect Darren O'Sullivan, Walsh, Kennelly and Declan O'Sullivan to all come off second best.

All of that is based on Cork winning the midfield battle. Miskella and co have to get the ball first. Would be interesting to see how the cork half back line get on doing their primary role -defending. For me the key area is the midfield battle and I think Kerry have the better partnership and I expect them to shade it by a couple of points. If kerry win midfield they'll win- its very difficult to lose a match when you win midfield. Especially when you have players with the class of Kerry.
Will be close though. Its very difficult to play a team 3 times in the same season and come out the right side of the result all the time. So kerry for me by 2/3 points max.

[Zulu]

I agree, Kerry do have the better midfield but O'Neill or Fintan Goold can be brought out there if all isn't well. And Cork should do ok possessionwise anyway that isn't the worry IMO, they have big lads out there and in the 3 half backs and 3 half forwards they have the strength and work rate to win their fair share of the dirty ball. IMO Cork are simply better than Kerry and would beat them 7 or 8 times out of 10, now maybe this Sunday Kerry will pull out all the stops and win but I don't think they will because Cork won't underperform.

I've been saying for a while now but Cork are the best team in the country bar none, they'd beat Kerry, Tyrone or whoever else your having most days.

Now having firmly stuck my colours to the mast I'll be a quite boy if they lose but sure you have to go for it every now and again. 

[comethekingdom]

That's a great Half fwd line IMO. Hope they dont go for the lump it in high to Tommy Walsh tactic. Nevertheless he will still give Sheilds some bother. Our midfield should shade it but Darragh will tire. Jack will need to make hasty decisions during the game and use the bench to full effect. Star will probably make an appearance and will give the team a great lift when the crowd roars when they see him coming on.
Really looking forward to the big day now - this is what Septembers are all about !

[Zulu]

Cork team from last years drawn semi final:

A Quirke; D Duggan, D Kavanagh, A Lynch; J Miskella , G Spillane, K O'Connor; P O'Neill, A O'Connor; D O'Connor , G Canty, S O'Brien; D Goulding , M Cussen, J Hayes

And for the replay:

CORK: A. Quirke; D. Duggan, D. Kavanagh, A. Lynch; G. Canty, J. Miskella, N. O'Leary; N. Murphy, P. O'Neill; S. O'Brien, D. O'Connor, K. McMahon; D. Goulding, M. Cussen, J. Hayes.

(Taken from rebelgaa)

Players in bold aren't starting this Sunday, so it's clear this is a very different team to the ones that have failed in CP against Kerry.

Jaysus but I can't wait now and I even found Dropkick Murphy's so were good to go!

[comethekingdom]

Kerry team V Tyrone 2008

1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Tom O'Sullivan 4. Padraig Reidy
5. Tomas Ó Sé (Captain) 6. Aidan O'Mahony 7. Killian Young
8. Darragh Ó Sé 9. Seamus Scanlon
10. Bryan Sheehan 11. Declan O'Sullivan 12. Eoin Brosnan
13.Colm Cooper 14. Kieran Donaghy 15. Tommy Walsh

Kerry team V Cork 2009

(1) Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) (2) Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (3) Tommy Griffin (Dingle) (4) Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) (5) Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (6) Mike McCarthy (Kilcummin) (7) Killian Young (Renard) ( Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (9) Seamus Scanlon (Currow) (10) Paul Galvin (Finuge) (11) Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada ) (12) Tadhg Kennelly (Listowel Emmett's) (13) Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) (14) Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahilly) (15) Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) (Captain)

5 changes plus positional switches from last yrs final which I think give us a much better balanced team this year. However the lack of a top class free take may be a worry especially if the ref keeps blowing up and dosent let the game flow.

[Jinxy]

Walsh could cause problems alright but he can be a bit hit and miss and Shields or Cadogan would be well able for him physically.

Whatever about Shields, going by his brief cameo against Tyrone Cadogan would be no match for Walsh.
Seán Cavanagh walked through Cadogan when he hit the post and he was shouldered out over the line next time he got possession.
If Walsh gets the right ball in to him there is no one in the Cork full-back line that can go head to head with him in the air.
I'd wager that sort of ball will be stopped further out the field though.

[INDIANA]

Jinxy- cadogan has no inter county exprience at senior level. Clinical insanity in my view to even consider him for Sunday. All-ireland finals are no place for debuts.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Cork for me, with something to spare.

This Cork team is a whole different package (including management) from the 2007 model, and there'll be no psychological barriers to overcome for this one. And the fact that they've beaten Kerry already this season in the Championship is of no relevance; quite the reverse, they'll want to make sure that it has no relevance, and seen to have no relevance.

The Kerry half-forward unit is an awesome one, but big Daragh won't have the energy reserves and stamina he's had of old, and Scanlon will be ploughing a lone furrow at the point of his (Ó Sé's) exhaustion until J O'C makes the inevitable substitution. Cork, on the other hand, have explosive energy and staying power all over the field, and whilst Galvin and Kennelly, in particular, will run riot for Kerry given the space, they'll find their room for manoeuvre severely curtailed by the omnipresent and immovable Cork defence.

Despite the annihilation of Dublin, who turned to stone on the day, I still have suspicions about the reserves in the tank of this Kerry team (and Mike Mac doesn't inspire confidence, great footballer and all as he is ), however, if Cork give them a run and a chance to get it together they'll sweep Cork aside. But Cork won't, and they won't stop running either.

[INDIANA]

Cork for me, with something to spare.

This Cork team is a whole different package (including management) from the 2007 model, and there'll be no psychological barriers to overcome for this one. And the fact that they've beaten Kerry already this season in the Championship is of no relevance; quite the reverse, they'll want to make sure that it has no relevance, and seen to have no relevance.

The Kerry half-forward unit is an awesome one, but big Daragh won't have the energy reserves and stamina he's had of old, and Scanlon will be ploughing a lone furrow at the point of his (Ó Sé's) exhaustion until J O'C makes the inevitable substitution. Cork, on the other hand, have explosive energy and staying power all over the field, and whilst Galvin and Kennelly, in particular, will run riot for Kerry given the space, they'll find their room for manoeuvre severely curtailed by the omnipresent and immovable Cork defence.

Despite the annihilation of Dublin, who turned to stone on the day, I still have suspicions about the reserves in the tank of this Kerry team (and Mike Mac doesn't inspire confidence, great footballer and all as he is ), however, if Cork give them a run and a chance to get it together they'll sweep Cork aside. But Cork won't, and they won't stop running either.

Not sure I saw much of an immovable Cork defence against Donegal. Tyrone won no ball at midfield- neither side will have that monopoly that Cork had against Tyrone on Sunday-unless one of them  implodes completely which I find hard to imagine.