Alan O'Connor sending off.

[No way ref]

muppet what are you on about

Don't worry about it Mr. Bannon.

Your notion that Mc Guigan and Miskella should recieve the same punishment would indicate you are Mr Bannon

[muppet]

muppet what are you on about

Don't worry about it Mr. Bannon.

Your notion that Mc Guigan and Miskella should recieve the same punishment would indicate you are Mr Bannon

RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with the head, arm, elbow, hand or knee.
5.2 To kick or attempt to kick an opponent.
5.3 To stamp on an opponent.
5.4 To behave in any manner which is dangerous to an opponent.
5.5 To strike or attempt to strike any match official. To interfere with or use abusive language or conduct to a match official.

PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free kick from where the foul occurred except as provided under EXCEPTIONS of Rule 2.2.

[muppet]

Let him play the final, I have no issue with that (in a feck it, he got away with it way). If they win, he should hand his medal back as he doesn't deserve it.*

However, this has set a precedent and next year will be interesting. Video evidence is gone after this.

*That was just a joke for Sidelinekick.

Am I correct in saying video evidence can only be used in instances where the officials took no action?

No. That rule is long gone.

Operational Principles
(1) A committee or Council in Charge may use video evidence to substantiate/complement/clarify what is contained in a Referees Report.
(2) A Committee or Council in Charge or Investigating Committee may use video evidence to formulate and prefer charges in relation to alleged offences not contained in a Referee's Report.
(3) Where a member or unit requests permission to use video evidence in any proceedings, the member or unit shall make such request in writing to the Committee or Council in Charge in advance of the date of hearing, stating the reason(s) for such request and specifying the source of the video evidence.
The Subcommittee further recommends that where the Games' Administration
Committee of the Central Council proposes to use video evidence to determine
whether a charge should be initiated against a member or unit, it shall appoint a
Subcommittee from within its membership to view the video and establish whether a
prima facie case exists. The Subcommittee shall report its findings to the parent
Committee and take no further part in the disciplinary process."

http://www.sportsdra.ie/documents/dra42005final.pdf

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Jeez muppet, there's justifying your moniker and there's justifying your moniker, as if you didn't have enough of it last night.

Mc Guigan's elbow: dubious, at best

Miskella's punch: blatant

[SidelineKick]

Let him play the final, I have no issue with that (in a feck it, he got away with it way). If they win, he should hand his medal back as he doesn't deserve it.*

However, this has set a precedent and next year will be interesting. Video evidence is gone after this.

*That was just a joke for Sidelinekick.

Gabriel, its nothing to do with Tyrone, I am simply using McGuigan as an example, as it was the last one to happen.  I have also said many times that it's not only Tyrone and its something creeping into the game in general, at club levels. Read all my posts on the matter before commenting on my "obsession" with Tyrone.

MCGUIGAN IS JUST AN EXAMPLE

[full back]

I have asked you this before SK

Can you differentiate between getting struck & going down and feigning a bad tackle?

The second point is what is ruining the game, not the first

[SidelineKick]

I have asked you this before SK

Can you differentiate between getting struck & going down and feigning a bad tackle?

The second point is what is ruining the game, not the first

Sorry if I havent answered it, but no it would be hard to differentiate, thats why I'm syaing the players need to take it upon themselves not to fall at every opportunity.

It takes a mighty box to knock a fully grown man to the ground keep him there would you not agree?

[full back]

So he should have turned the other cheek then?

Dont give me this stand like a man & take it stuff

A man struck & deserves to be punished. This is the best way to draw the referee's attention to the incident
If he hadnt went down nothing at all would have happened

[SidelineKick]

So he should have turned the other cheek then?

Dont give me this stand like a man & take it stuff

A man struck & deserves to be punished. This is the best way to draw the referee's attention to the incident
If he hadnt went down nothing at all would have happened

Obviously this is where we differ on opinions.  It'll just go round in circles but heres my take on it:

If you break two two hypothetical incidents (in case Gab gets his knickers in a twist) –

1)   A man throws a box – he deserves to be punished, the force is irrelevant.  Action – red card.
2)   A man lies on the ground to get the man sent off – he got boxed so yes perhaps he has the right to go down.  My gripe with this is if he actually had the need to go down.
Its nothing to do with standing up like a man and taking it, and maybe you cant see this because you like soccer, but things like this will ruin our game.  The one reason why I cannot stand soccer is all the diving and rolling around.  Granted this hypothetical person might have take a box to the back of the head but no way was it hard enough to knock him down and keep him down.  Fake physio work going on for 3 or 4 mins. Joke.

Answer my question please:

Do you think the box was hard enough to knock him down and keep him down?

If you're answer is yes (which I doubt it will be) then fair enough.

If you're answer is no, then you are condoning lying down to get a player sent off (even though he deserved to go) when his injury didn't justify the time he spent on the ground.

[full back]

/quote]

Doubtful


You say:
My gripe with this is if he actually had the need to go down

If he had just stood there Miskella would have got off scot-free and the game would descend into anarchy with hardmen running around the field hitting boys boxes off the ball all the time

[DUBSFORSAM1]

If someone punches you in the head playing football you have two options in my opinion - you punch him back and risk getting sent off yourself, or you go down to draw the refs attention to the incident (which is why mcguigan went down) and increase the chances of getting the dirty hoor who hit you sent off - which is exactly what he deserves! In the context of this match mcguigan took the correct action! If it was a local club reserve game - i'd have hit him back!

What would you have done sidelinekick? Stay on your feet, then what?

So Aidan O'Mahony was right to collapse when he got touched against Cork, Miskella should have collapsed when McGuigan elbowed him also and any time any player suffers any contact on the pitch he should fall over straight away to get the free

[DuffleKing]

Those that put a man in hospital Duffle King. It's a simple enough system. Throw punches by all means. If you get caught, you get a month. If you do harm, you get a year. The second one is the key deterrent, and I believe the measure would clean the game up enormously.

Let me re-iterate that I'm not talking about hard football, or players getting hurt in challenges.

I'm talking about when everyone involved in a game turns around and there's a fella lying on the floor with his jaw in two pieces.

So if i want some cowboy that i've goaded into striking me to get a year i simply feign wooziness and wobble my way to hospital?

[SidelineKick]

If someone punches you in the head playing football you have two options in my opinion - you punch him back and risk getting sent off yourself, or you go down to draw the refs attention to the incident (which is why mcguigan went down) and increase the chances of getting the dirty hoor who hit you sent off - which is exactly what he deserves! In the context of this match mcguigan took the correct action! If it was a local club reserve game - i'd have hit him back!

What would you have done sidelinekick? Stay on your feet, then what?

So Aidan O'Mahony was right to collapse when he got touched against Cork, Miskella should have collapsed when McGuigan elbowed him also and any time any player suffers any contact on the pitch he should fall over straight away to get the free

DFS are you being serious here or sarcastic?

FB

Let me ask you this:

Someone hit Chrissy McKaigue in the first round of the Ulster Championship, it wasn't much of a box, but a box nonetheless.  Was he right to fall to the ground?  Because from memory there was outrage at his diving and play acting to get a man sent off, something I agreed had no place in our game.

McKaigue was told to get up.

Chances are if you throw a box you will be caught at that level, which Miskella was (baffling as to how he stayed on), but I have yet to see a game descend in to anarchy because someone didnt lie down. 

[full back]

[quote author=SidelineKick link=topic=13516.msg631065#msg631065
Chances are if you throw a box you will be caught at that level, which Miskella was (baffling as to how he stayed on), but I have yet to see a game descend in to anarchy because someone didnt lie down.
[/quote]

As you saw on Sunday the referee was brutal, many players noticed this & took advantage of it

Now if boys were throwing boxes throughout the match & standing toe to toe how do you think it would end?

[SidelineKick]

Jesus FB are you actually serious?

What do you think linesmen and umpires are for?