No Regrets..............

[Agnes Dipesto]

Maybe not that story but a few others.....

http://www.zipadeeday.com/viewarticle.asp?article=151

[Rollout]

Maybe not that story but a few others.....

http://www.zipadeeday.com/viewarticle.asp?article=151

Hmmm,

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2005-01-30-tort-reform_x.htm

[Eastern_Pride]

Agnes' link tells us that they are myths.

Eastern Pride is some boy.

What did I do now?

[Eastern_Pride]

Made stuff up.

I'm sorry I read a wrong f**king story, I don't have the world's media lying in front of me

[Hardy]

I agree with BC's reasoning, but I do have one dilemma. You hear a burglar in your house. You arm yourself with your bedside protector (in my case, a two-foot length of inch-diameter insulated cable that's effectively like a flexible iron bar). You're dealing with a criminal, by definition - someone who is prepared to operate outside the law. You don't know how far outside the law he's prepared to go. He may also be armed - certainly more likely to be than a random member of the public. Your compensating advantages are surprise and the persuader you're carrying.

The dilemma: do you give up one of your advantages and possibly give him a better opportunity to harm you and your family by asking him to stop and leave or do you preserve your advantage and lamp him first. And is the answer different depending on whether you're 22 or 82?

[Minder]

Topical........

West Ham footballer Calum Davenport and his mother are both in a "serious condition" after being stabbed at their family home.

The 26-year-old defender is undergoing surgery on both legs after being set upon in the Bedford property late last night.

West Ham released a statement on the stabbing which read: "West Ham United can confirm that Calum Davenport was being treated in hospital on Saturday afternoon after an incident late on Friday night.

"The 26-year-old defender and his mum both suffered stab wounds at home in Bedford.

"His mum is recovering while Calum underwent surgery this morning and his injuries were described as serious by doctors.

"The club's medical team are in contact with hospital staff.

"The thoughts of everyone at West Ham are with Calum and his family and, due to the ongoing police investigation, no further information will be released at this time."

The former England Under-21 international joined the Hammers in the summer for £3m.

[muppet]

I agree with BC's reasoning, but I do have one dilemma. You hear a burglar in your house. You arm yourself with your bedside protector (in my case, a two-foot length of inch-diameter insulated cable that's effectively like a flexible iron bar). You're dealing with a criminal, by definition - someone who is prepared to operate outside the law. You don't know how far outside the law he's prepared to go. He may also be armed - certainly more likely to be than a random member of the public. Your compensating advantages are surprise and the persuader you're carrying.

The dilemma: do you give up one of your advantages and possibly give him a better opportunity to harm you and your family by asking him to stop and leave or do you preserve your advantage and lamp him first. And is the answer different depending on whether you're 22 or 82?

The law failed Nally. That is where the problem starts, what do you do then?

Froggy Ward had 4 bench warrants out for his arrest on charges including one for assaulting a Gárda with a slash hook. Despite the warrants it wasn't as if Ward was in hiding, he was frequently seen in Headford shortly before he was killed driving his untaxed and uninsured vehicle.

I don't usually advocate breaking the law, but I understand why Nally did it. Hand on heart I think I would have done the same.

[Cúig huaire]

The law failed Nally. That is where the problem starts, what do you do then?

Nally broke the law, he murdered Ward. He is no better than Ward. End of story. He should be serving a life sentence, not being treated as a hero by some. The State/Garda let Nally down, they failed to do their job and protect him and his property, but that does not give him the right to murder anyone.
In the same vein, the state let Ward down as well. If the state had done its job correctly this situation would never have arisen. Ward was entitled to the same protection from the state that Nally should have expected. If the Garda had locked Ward up then none of this would ever have happened.

[stew]

The law failed Nally. That is where the problem starts, what do you do then?

Nally broke the law, he murdered Ward. He is no better than Ward. End of story. He should be serving a life sentence, not being treated as a hero by some. The State/Garda let Nally down, they failed to do their job and protect him and his property, but that does not give him the right to murder anyone.
In the same vein, the state let Ward down as well. If the state had done its job correctly this situation would never have arisen. Ward was entitled to the same protection from the state that Nally should have expected. If the Garda had locked Ward up then none of this would ever have happened.

Ward knowingly went to nally's home to rob him, he had a history of robbing him and he knew the man was scared out of his wits, I can understand how nally snapped, the pressure on him would have been great, what i cannot understand is the beating he inflicted after he gunned ward down.

I have no sympathy for scumbags that rob houses or steal cars etc, Ward got killed because a man he was trying to steal from had had enough and shot him dead and now the Wards think that the man who shot him should have got more time>

Maybe if mammy and daddy ward had brought the son up to be fit to do a days work like everyone else he wouldnt have had to rob the people of that area of the country blind.  Where is the accountability for Wards family>

[Cúig huaire]

Yes, Ward knowingly went to Nallys home to rob him, but that does not give Nally the right to take a life. Nally shot Ward, reloaded and shot him while he was lying wounded on the ground. That was murder pure and simple. While I have a lot of sympathy for Nally and his predicament I think the Gardai should have done more to protect the community from the likes of Ward. As I said before if Ward had been locked up on those warrants these events wold not have taken place.
Its a strange case where there are no winners, but Ward paid the ultimate price for his actions. I suppose it all boils down to how we value a life.

[stew]

Yes, Ward knowingly went to Nallys home to rob him, but that does not give Nally the right to take a life. Nally shot Ward, reloaded and shot him while he was lying wounded on the ground. That was murder pure and simple. While I have a lot of sympathy for Nally and his predicament I think the Gardai should have done more to protect the community from the likes of Ward. As I said before if Ward had been locked up on those warrants these events wold not have taken place.
Its a strange case where there are no winners, but Ward paid the ultimate price for his actions. I suppose it all boils down to how we value a life.

I value it a lot more if it does not involve some tr**p scaring the shite out of a man nearly pension age, robbing him repeatedly and driving to drastic action for self preservation. How long is enough for a man to be living under pressure like that.

Shooting him the second time was wrong, batin the shite out of him afetr shooting him twice was wrong but I can only imagine the mental anguish the man had to be experiencing. he did deserve to go to jail however, even the likes of ward have rights and he did not deserve to die in that fashion.

[muppet]

Yes, Ward knowingly went to Nallys home to rob him, but that does not give Nally the right to take a life. Nally shot Ward, reloaded and shot him while he was lying wounded on the ground. That was murder pure and simple. While I have a lot of sympathy for Nally and his predicament I think the Gardai should have done more to protect the community from the likes of Ward. As I said before if Ward had been locked up on those warrants these events wold not have taken place.
Its a strange case where there are no winners, but Ward paid the ultimate price for his actions. I suppose it all boils down to how we value a life.

I am not advocating random shootings but if Nally hadn't done it the likelihood is that Ward would have robbed him and robbed him again. He may even have added to his collection of warrants and us moral guardians would be none the wiser.

[An Gaeilgoir]

Yes, Ward knowingly went to Nallys home to rob him, but that does not give Nally the right to take a life. Nally shot Ward, reloaded and shot him while he was lying wounded on the ground. That was murder pure and simple. While I have a lot of sympathy for Nally and his predicament I think the Gardai should have done more to protect the community from the likes of Ward. As I said before if Ward had been locked up on those warrants these events wold not have taken place.
Its a strange case where there are no winners, but Ward paid the ultimate price for his actions. I suppose it all boils down to how we value a life.

I am not advocating random shootings but if Nally hadn't done it the likelihood is that Ward would have robbed him and robbed him again. He may even have added to his collection of warrants and us moral guardians would be none the wiser.

As someone who lives quite close to Nally, he was dead right to kill him. This f*****r had the whole area robbed and terrorised. Swap places with some of these elderly people who live in terror of these scumbags. A neighbour of mine recently had their yard tarmacadamed because she was too afraid to tell them to go away. 1500 euros for oil and chippings. They arrived on a day when there was a local wedding and most of the neighbours were away, handy that. These people deserve everything they get if they arrive on any ones property to terrorise or extort money. One thing for sure is since Nally shot ward there has been a dramatic drop in the number of unwanted "visitors" to farmyards in the area. There was a murder in Charlestown area a few years ago that went unpunished, an elderly man was tied to a chair and left to die over a number of days. Nally saw justice was done for his death as well. Let anyone come and try and extort money from my elderly uncle who lives next door to me and there will be a double barrell welcome for them too.

[Cúig huaire]

Shooting him the second time was wrong, batin the shite out of him afetr shooting him twice was wrong but I can only imagine the mental anguish the man had to be experiencing. he did deserve to go to jail however, even the likes of ward have rights and he did not deserve to die in that fashion.

Nallys state of mind should have been a factor in his sentence, though he should still have been sentenced for murder, in saying that it was a strange case and who knows what any of us would do in a similar situation. The point I am trying to make is that the whole system is wrong, the system let Nally down time and again, the same system allowed Ward to carry out these crimes against isolated, elderly people time and again, but that same system allowed sentiment to get in the way of justice and that is probably the greatest injustice here.

[muppet]

Shooting him the second time was wrong, batin the shite out of him afetr shooting him twice was wrong but I can only imagine the mental anguish the man had to be experiencing. he did deserve to go to jail however, even the likes of ward have rights and he did not deserve to die in that fashion.

Nallys state of mind should have been a factor in his sentence, though he should still have been sentenced for murder, in saying that it was a strange case and who knows what any of us would do in a similar situation. The point I am trying to make is that the whole system is wrong, the system let Nally down time and again, the same system allowed Ward to carry out these crimes against isolated, elderly people time and again, but that same system allowed sentiment to get in the way of justice and that is probably the greatest injustice here.

Agree with that.