Antrim Hurling

Started by milltown row, January 26, 2007, 11:21:26 AM

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NorthAntrim

Ive seen the video. Wild pull, made worse that hes actually pulling towards his own goal. Hes seen red. Probably 3 game ban, championship ruined anyway as how could a manager trust him.

St Endas seem to be building, is the top field shorter?

The only other proper game was St Johns Rossa. The gap is massive between between some of our senior clubs. Dunloy Ahoghill is a waste of time for all concernded unfortunatly

Great win for glenravel and backs up their decision to remain intermediate after a few good performances last year with little reward
Creggan beating Glenariffe probably isnt that big of a shock, they were always going to be stronger than league and with Conor McCann back im sure a massive lift for everyone that has hurled all year

Very good result for St Galls away. Intermediate is wide open

Junior as expected really. Davitts put up a fight, GNM are building again without the result, could gather themselves up for knock out. St Brigids out of their depth and was always going to be a toss of a coin between LD and Rasharkin


keep her low this half

Creggan and Glenariffe must have been spicy, ended up 13 a side according to the Saffron Gael. Anyone at it? Three sent off in the first half one in the second.

saffman

Quote from: johnnycool on August 07, 2023, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 06, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: breakingball on August 06, 2023, 09:36:46 PM
Clutching at straws here.

One handed and with force.


Quote from: CitySlicker11 on August 06, 2023, 09:22:47 PM
I'd maybe give him the benefit of the doubt and suggest extremely miss timed and reckless?

The one handed is the giveaway, no intention of playing the ball

Did he get a red card ?

It's not a foul to pull one handed on a ball, not having seen the incident you're talking about though!


Agreed one handed isn't a foul however once you see the video you'll understand. Wasn't near the ball, wasn't near the flight path. 4/5yards off the player who played the ball. Straight slap to the head. It's bad.

The player has had a moment of madness, its a dirty stroke and if we're talking rugby and looking for mitigating circumstances I don't see any.

Luckily naomh wanna player wasnt seriously hurt. Mcmullan is young hopefully it's a lesson he learns from, takes his punishment and that's it buried.

NorthAntrim

Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

Milltown Row2

Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

If I pull the 'ball' in the air it's not a foul, if I connect with a player and not the ball it's a foul, whether I've two hands on it or not.

If a player stretches for a ball along the ground with one hand and pulls on it, it's not a foul, if connects with a player first it's a foul.

What's your understanding of the one handed pull?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

johnnycool

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

If I pull the 'ball' in the air it's not a foul, if I connect with a player and not the ball it's a foul, whether I've two hands on it or not.

If a player stretches for a ball along the ground with one hand and pulls on it, it's not a foul, if connects with a player first it's a foul.

What's your understanding of the one handed pull?

He's in good company in fairness, the amount of times I've heard lads shouting for fouls for one handed pulls is unreal and whilst it can look a lot worse and reckless, get the ball clean you're good in my eyes as well as the rulebook.

Kidder81

Quote from: johnnycool on August 07, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

If I pull the 'ball' in the air it's not a foul, if I connect with a player and not the ball it's a foul, whether I've two hands on it or not.

If a player stretches for a ball along the ground with one hand and pulls on it, it's not a foul, if connects with a player first it's a foul.

What's your understanding of the one handed pull?

He's in good company in fairness, the amount of times I've heard lads shouting for fouls for one handed pulls is unreal and whilst it can look a lot worse and reckless, get the ball clean you're good in my eyes as well as the rulebook.

This fella got the St Endas player head clean

johnnycool

Quote from: Kidder81 on August 07, 2023, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 07, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

If I pull the 'ball' in the air it's not a foul, if I connect with a player and not the ball it's a foul, whether I've two hands on it or not.

If a player stretches for a ball along the ground with one hand and pulls on it, it's not a foul, if connects with a player first it's a foul.

What's your understanding of the one handed pull?

He's in good company in fairness, the amount of times I've heard lads shouting for fouls for one handed pulls is unreal and whilst it can look a lot worse and reckless, get the ball clean you're good in my eyes as well as the rulebook.

This fella got the St Endas player head clean



So I believe and got a deserved red card, but the fact that he pulled one handed is immaterial, he was nowhere near the ball either with one or two hands on the hurl.

NorthAntrim

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

If I pull the 'ball' in the air it's not a foul, if I connect with a player and not the ball it's a foul, whether I've two hands on it or not.

If a player stretches for a ball along the ground with one hand and pulls on it, it's not a foul, if connects with a player first it's a foul.

What's your understanding of the one handed pull?

my understanding is the same as yours. you have to play the ball (or at least make it look like it) lol! regardless of how many hands you have on the hurl.

breakingball

Of course the one handed bit alone does not automatically mean it was a foul, but it did mean on this occasion that he was out of control, reckless  and dangerous.

Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

If I pull the 'ball' in the air it's not a foul, if I connect with a player and not the ball it's a foul, whether I've two hands on it or not.

If a player stretches for a ball along the ground with one hand and pulls on it, it's not a foul, if connects with a player first it's a foul.

What's your understanding of the one handed pull?

my understanding is the same as yours. you have to play the ball (or at least make it look like it) lol! regardless of how many hands you have on the hurl.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: breakingball on August 07, 2023, 10:07:28 PM
Of course the one handed bit alone does not automatically mean it was a foul, but it did mean on this occasion that he was out of control, reckless  and dangerous.

Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on August 07, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Im struggling to understand the "one handed pull isnt a foul" comments

If I pull the 'ball' in the air it's not a foul, if I connect with a player and not the ball it's a foul, whether I've two hands on it or not.

If a player stretches for a ball along the ground with one hand and pulls on it, it's not a foul, if connects with a player first it's a foul.

What's your understanding of the one handed pull?

my understanding is the same as yours. you have to play the ball (or at least make it look like it) lol! regardless of how many hands you have on the hurl.

And dealt with... striking is a one match ban, people calling for 6 months ban don't know the how they are handed out!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

saffman

MR2 agree people calling 6 months are maybe exagerrating abit..

However regards the rules is there any scope for a referee to distinguish types of striking in their report?

On this occasion i personally feel 1 match is too lenient (2-3 is what I'd judge appropriate) I also understand we don't have the capacity to judge each incident and trial them separately hence why we standardise and have a referee report and set punishments.

Real question is - is dangerous & on this occasion possibly intentional striking round the head treated the same as say shafting someone when it comes to suspension?


Milltown Row2

Thems the guidelines in the rule book for us to write the match reports, striking with hurl, hand, foot.

Additional suspension comes from whether the persons have been sent off regularly in that season I think

It's always a CCC decision, we reported it, they deal with it
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Hoof Hearted

obviously its the rules, but seems strange that that is a one match ban, same as 2 yellows.
Treble 6 Nations Fantasy Rugby champion 2008, 2011 & 2012

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Hoof Hearted on August 08, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
obviously its the rules, but seems strange that that is a one match ban, same as 2 yellows.

Two yellows ain't a one match ban, only if they have received disciplinary actions in that season would it result in a ban. (I think)
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.