Antrim Hurling

[marty34]

Would Gleeson be in the running for the Tipp job if Bonnar steps away from the Tipp role?

Doubt it, his conviction might work against him at home.

You reckon? I'd say time would be a healer and all that.

Travel be sore on him I'd say.

I think he'd do a good job with Tipp and be a good fit for them.  Outwith Cahill (and his star has nosedived this past 6 weeks), who else is there.

In saying that, all speculation as Bonnar will probably take another near to set his stall out.

[Last Man]

Chatting to and looking at our lads on the panel there has been a pile of work done on the S&C side but my impression is that we are still lacking the mentality to adapt on the hoof, if our game plan is working then its all good but as soon as we are unpicked we struggle to pivot to another approach, might there be a clue in Glesson bemoaning the loss of Maor Foirne. How we develop leadership, cuteness and autonomy is the key for me.

There is definitely something in that, we cant seem to change mid stream. However I think the biggest factor is the 6 day turn around. Antrim and Kerry were set up to fail in this system, I dont care who you are you cant play a final and then be ready to hit even higher levels within 6 days.

You take in recovery and then a tactical plan which would have been completely different for Cork than Kerry etc

If they are wanting to get Antrim Kerry or whoever to competitive levels these are the types of things that need addressed, but in that respect do they actually want these teams to be competitive because year on year the apathy shown is obvious.

They have done the same in football also with the quick turn around of games in the qualifiers, there seems to be a rush to get the games done and out of the way.. I actually didnt realise to late on that we'd be entered into the McCarthy cup this year.. I thought winning it would have given us entry next year..

There's no better foundation than getting them strong healthy and happy at their work, if any part is missing then we can't expect results. Just a personal hunch but can a team be over coached and are we seeing it more and more, club level also??

[johnnycool]

Chatting to and looking at our lads on the panel there has been a pile of work done on the S&C side but my impression is that we are still lacking the mentality to adapt on the hoof, if our game plan is working then its all good but as soon as we are unpicked we struggle to pivot to another approach, might there be a clue in Glesson bemoaning the loss of Maor Foirne. How we develop leadership, cuteness and autonomy is the key for me.

There is definitely something in that, we cant seem to change mid stream. However I think the biggest factor is the 6 day turn around. Antrim and Kerry were set up to fail in this system, I dont care who you are you cant play a final and then be ready to hit even higher levels within 6 days.

You take in recovery and then a tactical plan which would have been completely different for Cork than Kerry etc

If they are wanting to get Antrim Kerry or whoever to competitive levels these are the types of things that need addressed, but in that respect do they actually want these teams to be competitive because year on year the apathy shown is obvious.

They have done the same in football also with the quick turn around of games in the qualifiers, there seems to be a rush to get the games done and out of the way.. I actually didnt realise to late on that we'd be entered into the McCarthy cup this year.. I thought winning it would have given us entry next year..

There's no better foundation than getting them strong healthy and happy at their work, if any part is missing then we can't expect results. Just a personal hunch but can a team be over coached and are we seeing it more and more, club level also??

Over coached in terms of rigid game play?

If that is what you are saying then i'd agree, and if you'd read any of Jim Gavins stuff since he left the Dublin job he's of the opinion that coaching is to allow the players on the field to make the right decisions for that time and all scenarios a player will face can never be truly covered in tactics so empower the players to "embrace the chaos" are the next buzz words out there.

Decision making is taken out of the hands of the players in an over-coached team and some of the best players ever were off the cuff types, but you can see lads struggle in certain systems as it's unnatural to them, Austin Gleeson is the most obvious at the minute.

[marty34]

Chatting to and looking at our lads on the panel there has been a pile of work done on the S&C side but my impression is that we are still lacking the mentality to adapt on the hoof, if our game plan is working then its all good but as soon as we are unpicked we struggle to pivot to another approach, might there be a clue in Glesson bemoaning the loss of Maor Foirne. How we develop leadership, cuteness and autonomy is the key for me.

There is definitely something in that, we cant seem to change mid stream. However I think the biggest factor is the 6 day turn around. Antrim and Kerry were set up to fail in this system, I dont care who you are you cant play a final and then be ready to hit even higher levels within 6 days.

You take in recovery and then a tactical plan which would have been completely different for Cork than Kerry etc

If they are wanting to get Antrim Kerry or whoever to competitive levels these are the types of things that need addressed, but in that respect do they actually want these teams to be competitive because year on year the apathy shown is obvious.

They have done the same in football also with the quick turn around of games in the qualifiers, there seems to be a rush to get the games done and out of the way.. I actually didnt realise to late on that we'd be entered into the McCarthy cup this year.. I thought winning it would have given us entry next year..

There's no better foundation than getting them strong healthy and happy at their work, if any part is missing then we can't expect results. Just a personal hunch but can a team be over coached and are we seeing it more and more, club level also??

Over coached in terms of rigid game play?

If that is what you are saying then i'd agree, and if you'd read any of Jim Gavins stuff since he left the Dublin job he's of the opinion that coaching is to allow the players on the field to make the right decisions for that time and all scenarios a player will face can never be truly covered in tactics so empower the players to "embrace the chaos" are the next buzz words out there.

Decision making is taken out of the hands of the players in an over-coached team and some of the best players ever were off the cuff types, but you can see lads struggle in certain systems as it's unnatural to them, Austin Gleeson is the most obvious at the minute.

I agree to a certain extent but the likes of TK and Cian Lynch buck that trend.

Lynch, especially, at times, looks as if he's doing some of them flicks/tricks at training.  Great that he hasn't been overcoached and nobody is giving out to him for trying and doing it.

[Last Man]

Yes they appear to be given the latitude to play with that sort of abandon and it's a joy to behold. I get the impression we are holding some of players back because we can afford to take the chance it might not work. I do believe we have similar characters who struggle with our rigid tactics.

[NAG1]

Yes they appear to be given the latitude to play with that sort of abandon and it's a joy to behold. I get the impression we are holding some of players back because we can afford to take the chance it might not work. I do believe we have similar characters who struggle with our rigid tactics.

Lynch and TJ are once in a generation players, they dont need to be coached and luckily they have worked with managers who have recognised this and let them at it.

But you better believe the other 14 players are drilled to within an inch of their life to the tactical systems employed by their teams.

We just are short a few more players and consistently playing at this level week in week out to get up to that speed of play for 80 minutes. That is why we drop off at points in the game, just not used to the intensity over that period of time.

[groundlie]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

[marty34]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

I think a week is fine. Just rest and recovery that week.

Get tactics and match ups sorted etc.

Wexford and Cork have to do the same this week.

[Saffrongael]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

I think a week is fine. Just rest and recovery that week.

Get tactics and match ups sorted etc.

Wexford and Cork have to do the same this week.

I would tend to agree, it's not as if Antrim had a totally hectic schedule, Kerry round Robin was two weeks before the final, and players were rested for that game. I think a week is fine, especially when you are at home.

Munster championship games were all played with a weeks break

[Tony Baloney]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

I think a week is fine. Just rest and recovery that week.

Get tactics and match ups sorted etc.

Wexford and Cork have to do the same this week.

In the old days you'd have brickies and farmers on squads where a week of rest would be impossible.

[marty34]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

I think a week is fine. Just rest and recovery that week.

Get tactics and match ups sorted etc.

Wexford and Cork have to do the same this week.

In the old days you'd have brickies and farmers on squads where a week of rest would be impossible.

But them lads weren't in the gym twice a week. They were naturally fit lads.

[groundlie]

Yeah fair points I can't disagree. However, it's basically an all Ireland and I think it would be fitting of the GAA to allow both teams a 2 week period to prepare.

[johnnycool]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

I think a week is fine. Just rest and recovery that week.

Get tactics and match ups sorted etc.

Wexford and Cork have to do the same this week.

I would tend to agree, it's not as if Antrim had a totally hectic schedule, Kerry round Robin was two weeks before the final, and players were rested for that game. I think a week is fine, especially when you are at home.

Munster championship games were all played with a weeks break

Munster (and Leinster) teams played two weeks on the bounce and then a free weekend in between.

[ck]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

I think a week is fine. Just rest and recovery that week.

Get tactics and match ups sorted etc.

Wexford and Cork have to do the same this week.

In the old days you'd have brickies and farmers on squads where a week of rest would be impossible.

We still have this is my club. "Recovery days" usually involve lifting concrete blocks and shoveling sand and cement into the mixer.

[marty34]

Antrim and Kerry should both have been allowed 2 weeks to prepare for the preliminary qualifying games. 6 days is an absolute joke. Yes momentum etc etc but the Joe McDonagh final was played on a big field, on a warm day and was very competitive. It would definitely have taken a lot out of the players. Next year start the season a week earlier and if its Offaly and Laois in the preliminary games give them 2 weeks to prepare. One thinks the GAA see these lower tier competitions was a nuisance.

I think a week is fine. Just rest and recovery that week.

Get tactics and match ups sorted etc.

Wexford and Cork have to do the same this week.

In the old days you'd have brickies and farmers on squads where a week of rest would be impossible.

We still have this is my club. "Recovery days" usually involve lifting concrete blocks and shoveling sand and cement into the mixer.
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Hardy boys!

No core work needed with them lads.]