Antrim Hurling

[Seamroga in exile]

The phrase from bad to worse springs to mind.Betting slips was awful, PJ resigning is sad to see and the Cushendall incident is potentially criminal. As I said earlier I would know one county player well and the sacrifices he makes for the county team are immense. I feel really sorry for those players who put their shoulder to the wheel and for all the club members of Ruari Ogs. It is a soul destroying thing selling tickets over the years to keep a club going, I know that very well from personal experience and for the Cushendall members who have been doing this for years I have huge sympathy.

I totally agree. I feel sorry for the hard working club men and women from Cushendall. No club deserves that.

[Seamroga in exile]

I wish I shared your confidence in the new executive Brocky.
havent seen anything resembling action from them.

I think today's announcement would clasify as action. At the end of the day the county senior hurling squad or some of it brought the county into disrepute and no matter what the press release they took the only action they could. The buck stops with the manager.

indeed. Try telling that to the Kevin ryan fans.

Could you define a kevin Ryan fan SIE is it someone who supported him
His tenure lasted a lot longer than the one you campaigned for
Thought you would be keeping a low profile today seeing as all your manager and player preferences where put in place and what a farce that was
Feel sorry for PJ but when he put all his eggs in the  "get the LG players back and we will blow all round us basket" he was doomed
so keep spouting the same old tripe, I'm sitting here ready for whatever response is needed

You obviously don't know me.   


Why on earth would I need to keep a low profile? Pj made mistakes who doesn't? What exactly does "get the LG players back and we will blow all round us basket" mean? I cant decipher that one.

As far as I could see PJ wasn't the only selector. The squad wasn't exactly coming down with loughgiel players either.  In fact I'd go as far to say there was as good a range of clubs represented as ever. He also didn't operate the draconian Ryan doctrine of barring club players training with their clubs. In fact he had an open door policy. He also allowed the Cushendall players to fully train with their club in the run up to the all ireland club series without the threat of not being selected for the County panel. This should be mandatory no matter who is manager.

He also didn't push money into the player's hands that betted against themselves, team mates and supporters. He does not deserve to be aligned with those particular boyos.

[btdtgtt]

So btdtgtt let's imagine for a minute that you headed up the new county executive. What action would have undertaken today? What do you think the Executive should do that they haven't done? Precisely?

My comment re our AWOL executive doesn't apply only to PJ.
This board is plastered with issues of which I've heard nothing proactive from our executive.
It's a point I've made quite a bit before today also.

So far putting boards up around Casement has been about as much I've seen them do.

[bannside]

Yes you certainly have. The new executive will have been as shocked as anyone at the way our senior hurling and events connected to that were playing out. What did they do? They called the manager in for a review of the situation, at the end of which the manager "resigned". From what I see the executive handled this situation well. With a bit of diplomacy lets say!

If you want an exact update on Dunsilly, or Casement or any other problem that you perceive to be the responsibility of the new board, then all you need to do is ask your club delegate to CC to get that information for you.

As I said before, and you set out to make light of it, our delegate (with a lot of years experience) was very impressed with the level of information, transparency and committment to get the best deals for Antrim out of some of their current projects. Im sure you will acknowledge that some of what is going on is very sensitive, especially around Casement, and its certainly not in our best interests to play this out in public. The only forum they will discuss these matters in is at County Committee. If you have a problem with the level of information YOU are receiving, then take it up with your two delegates. Is that fair enough?

[btdtgtt]

It certainly is.
But club delegates and county board members I have spoken to don't share that opinion.
Far from it in fact.
Hopefully that's fair enough also.
So I will discuss whatever I want on this forum.

[BrendanAntrim]

Sorry btdtgtt thats head in the sand stuff. I'm afraid your blinkers are preventing you from seeing the whole picture, or indeed from answering the question. What would you do in their place that isn't being done? Specifically? I don't think you would be able to come up with one specific item. And Bannside is right - if you want updates on major issues, ask your club delegate or secretary.

[bannside]

Having said that Im not their trumpet blower. But I said (to myself lol) that they would need six months just to get their head round the size of the mess they inherited. Happy to give them that spell, or longer if needed to get into their way of working but I do have faith that this board will take things on a fair bit in terms of structures and leaving us in a better more sustainable place.

Lets be very honest. there werent many queueing up for these posts. Everyone saw it as a poisoned chalice and believe me, knowing one or two of them personally, as well as few of the movers and shakers behind the scenes, they have a lot going on in their own businesses, so fair play for stepping up to the plate. Thats my view anyway. Time will judge how valuable their contributions will be...but lets give them that time.

[btdtgtt]

Sorry btdtgtt thats head in the sand stuff. I'm afraid your blinkers are preventing you from seeing the whole picture, or indeed from answering the question. What would you do in their place that isn't being done? Specifically? I don't think you would be able to come up with one specific item. And Bannside is right - if you want updates on major issues, ask your club delegate or secretary.

If you read my original post you will see I've spoken to club delegates & county board members.
And whilst a critique of what I would do where I part of the county executive might be a bit long-winded - suffice to say my point remains - in the time since many of them presented themselves as knights in shining armour I haven't seen evidence of anything.

[btdtgtt]

Having said that Im not their trumpet blower. But I said (to myself lol) that they would need six months just to get their head round the size of the mess they inherited. Happy to give them that spell, or longer if needed to get into their way of working but I do have faith that this board will take things on a fair bit in terms of structures and leaving us in a better more sustainable place.

Lets be very honest. there werent many queueing up for these posts. Everyone saw it as a poisoned chalice and believe me, knowing one or two of them personally, as well as few of the movers and shakers behind the scenes, they have a lot going on in their own businesses, so fair play for stepping up to the plate. Thats my view anyway. Time will judge how valuable their contributions will be...but lets give them that time.

That's fair enough if that's your view - I hope you're right.
I would disagree for example that others weren't stepping to the plate - after all everyone elected was opposed.
If you feel six months is judgement time - they'd need to offer a lot more in the next 3 months or so than they have so far.
So like I say, I hope you're right - but my original point remains.
I've seen or heard precious little and I'm totally underwhelmed by their start.

[Hirty Darry]

I wouldn't read too much in to the "resignation" spin.   I would say it was more of a jump before pushed situation.  If truth be told, the manager set the tone with his conduct even before the season started pre season at at training weekend.  Lost the respect of quite a few players as a result.  This is fact.

[paddyjohn]

I wouldn't read too much in to the "resignation" spin.   I would say it was more of a jump before pushed situation.  If truth be told, the manager set the tone with his conduct even before the season started pre season at at training weekend.  Lost the respect of quite a few players as a result.  This is fact.

No point in dragging up more stories, the chap has left, been sacked whatever happened has happened. everybody knows the stories & rumours.

[bannside]

Is this a county hurling discussion forum? And not a single word on here about Liam Watsons resignation from the panel. Too busy with work commitments, apparently! Sheer coincidence that his resignation came at the same time as PJ`s. Its been some week alright.

[paddyjohn]

Is this a county hurling discussion forum? And not a single word on here about Liam Watsons resignation from the panel. Too busy with work commitments, apparently! Sheer coincidence that his resignation came at the same time as PJ`s. Its been some week alright.

Watson didn't resign, he got kicked off the panel for messing about.

[Hirty Darry]

I wouldn't read too much in to the "resignation" spin.   I would say it was more of a jump before pushed situation.  If truth be told, the manager set the tone with his conduct even before the season started pre season at at training weekend.  Lost the respect of quite a few players as a result.  This is fact.

No point in dragging up more stories, the chap has left, been sacked whatever happened has happened. everybody knows the stories & rumours.

Why not when he was lorded as the man to turn things around in some quarters.

[north_antrim_hound]

 SIE
ARGUING WITH YOU
it's like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

You ranted for two years about the then hurling set up. All your suggestions came to fruition
Your a lost cause me thinks