Antrim Hurling

[NAG1]

Its a stitch up! This was an appointment by a few ex members only, I not here to knock the referee, and I just hope he is up to the pace a verocity that will be delivered by two excellent teams to give us a great game.

Explain? surely there is no way a creditable organisation (Antrim County board)give appointments based on any other reason than who  is best for the job based on, assessments, experience, attitude and application, surely you jest. That be like saying I won't get any games based on being on the internet, tweeting or facebook  ?

The county have brought in a great way of making referees more accountable with regular assessments (I've had 3) with feedback, the fitness and health check at the start of the season was very good and all referees has a base line to work on for next year. All that stuff would be a waste of time/money if they just give it to people who they like ffs

When did the Antrim county board become credible?!

U say these assessments are a good thing?
Who carries them out?
And who is to say their opinion is infallible!

I don't know any criteria under which terry Reilly is the best man for this job?!

The assessments that were carried out on me were done by Tommy McIntyre, now are you going to say his opinion on refereeing is bad? Very strange, seems you have an axe to grind.

Terry will call the fouls when he see's them, don't foul and you won't get blown up for a free, it doesn't get any eaiser ffs. Lets give Terry a break, and concentrate on the game ffs

As long as he lets the game go and doesnt give any special treatment to players he will be fine.

[btdtgtt]

Its a stitch up! This was an appointment by a few ex members only, I not here to knock the referee, and I just hope he is up to the pace a verocity that will be delivered by two excellent teams to give us a great game.

Explain? surely there is no way a creditable organisation (Antrim County board)give appointments based on any other reason than who  is best for the job based on, assessments, experience, attitude and application, surely you jest. That be like saying I won't get any games based on being on the internet, tweeting or facebook  ?

The county have brought in a great way of making referees more accountable with regular assessments (I've had 3) with feedback, the fitness and health check at the start of the season was very good and all referees has a base line to work on for next year. All that stuff would be a waste of time/money if they just give it to people who they like ffs

When did the Antrim county board become credible?!

U say these assessments are a good thing?
Who carries them out?
And who is to say their opinion is infallible!

I don't know any criteria under which terry Reilly is the best man for this job?!

The assessments that were carried out on me were done by Tommy McIntyre, now are you going to say his opinion on refereeing is bad? Very strange, seems you have an axe to grind.

Terry will call the fouls when he see's them, don't foul and you won't get blown up for a free, it doesn't get any eaiser ffs. Lets give Terry a break, and concentrate on the game ffs

Certainly not with Tommy! I always thought he was top class and if he'd have been from a bigger county and could have got a senior All-Ireland!

But the point I am making is the same in any walk of life - if the decision of the 'assessor' is deemed as definitive then there must be an assumption that he is correct. Thats not always the case!

I agree fully that the two teams concerned should and will be focussed entirely on the game and not the ref - however I have just seen too often that ref's in Antrim have too much bearing on games - and thats not a good thing! Not personal - no axe to grind - just an observation over years of games and refs! I have seen too often refs here dictating the game and personalities coming into it.

Anyway - good luck to Terry on Sunday (with the Ballycastle crowd too!) and I hope we all get a great game!

[Milltown Row2]

Its a stitch up! This was an appointment by a few ex members only, I not here to knock the referee, and I just hope he is up to the pace a verocity that will be delivered by two excellent teams to give us a great game.

Explain? surely there is no way a creditable organisation (Antrim County board)give appointments based on any other reason than who  is best for the job based on, assessments, experience, attitude and application, surely you jest. That be like saying I won't get any games based on being on the internet, tweeting or facebook  ?

The county have brought in a great way of making referees more accountable with regular assessments (I've had 3) with feedback, the fitness and health check at the start of the season was very good and all referees has a base line to work on for next year. All that stuff would be a waste of time/money if they just give it to people who they like ffs

When did the Antrim county board become credible?!

U say these assessments are a good thing?
Who carries them out?
And who is to say their opinion is infallible!

I don't know any criteria under which terry Reilly is the best man for this job?!

The assessments that were carried out on me were done by Tommy McIntyre, now are you going to say his opinion on refereeing is bad? Very strange, seems you have an axe to grind.

Terry will call the fouls when he see's them, don't foul and you won't get blown up for a free, it doesn't get any easier ffs. Lets give Terry a break, and concentrate on the game ffs

Certainly not with Tommy! I always thought he was top class and if he'd have been from a bigger county and could have got a senior All-Ireland!

But the point I am making is the same in any walk of life - if the decision of the 'assessor' is deemed as definitive then there must be an assumption that he is correct. That's not always the case!

I agree fully that the two teams concerned should and will be focussed entirely on the game and not the ref - however I have just seen too often that ref's in Antrim have too much bearing on games - and thats not a good thing! Not personal - no axe to grind - just an observation over years of games and refs! I have seen too often refs here dictating the game and personalities coming into it.

Anyway - good luck to Terry on Sunday (with the Ballycastle crowd too!) and I hope we all get a great game!

Yes who assesses the assessor?? In my line of work I used to assess students work, did they meet the standards set down by the awarding body, are they competent? I was given this by doing a course and based on my past experience in that area I was deemed fit to assess the student competent or not competent. We also had an Internal verifier who checked the assessor work to ensure the assessor is marking/assessing correctly. That's my job also now and I have to answer directly to the awarding body's external verifier.

After all that I'd like to think everything is in order, I'd imagine the team of assessors in Antrim would have something like that going on, but you can ask who's assessing the external verifier and so on ffs. What we have I think is better than what went on before, and hopefully will get a lot better.

The way I hear it's done, don't quote me, is the referee committee pick who they think is best for the job for the reasons given above, these names go to the county board who give the final say, this may be a flawed way, if for instance a member of that panel does not like a certain referee because (maybe not his style as they probably haven't seen him referee to make that judgement) on personality or what someone else says.

Always ways to improve things I'm sure.

[btdtgtt]

I think it's a bit naieve to think that the names forwarded and chosen by the county board go on reffing ability - who's owed a favour and who's turn it is etc might have at least as much of a bearing!

[Milltown Row2]

I think it's a bit naieve to think that the names forwarded and chosen by the county board go on reffing ability - who's owed a favour and who's turn it is etc might have at least as much of a bearing!

So to take away that from the County board so people don't assume that's the case, wouldn't it be better that the referee's committee are are given the job? They are in charge of the appointments for 95%of the games as it is without no hassle, and based on what I've stated before would have a better idea as to who is the best man for the job?

I wouldn't know how many games they would get to, with all the other work they do I'd say it would be hard enough to see most games so the logical call would be to leave that with the referee committee. But sure you'd probably say the referees would be doing favours also ffs, can't win

On a side ish note I have to say ( in my opinion) that the percentage of games that have been covered by neutral referees in the All County leagues must be near 99%. More referee's now than ever before, so well done to Paddy, Garret, and Gregory this year.

[Seamroga in exile]

SIE, what are your pre-match thoughts on the SHC final, having seen both teams in action last weekend?

I actually think the appointment of T.R will suit Loughgiel better as they seem to be very disciplined in the tackle and will not concede as many frees as Cushendall will.  Would have preferred someone who would let things go a bit more.

Refs don't win or lose games but their refereeing style can have an impact on the game.

Well, for a start, there will be no landslide 10 point win for either team as some are predicting on here. As ever between these two teams, it'll be tight with no quarter asked or given.

Cushendall have some excellent hurlers. On their day they could beat anyone on the island. McManus, Graffin and P Mc Naughton are the mainstays of the team with Shane the gamer changer. A lot will depend on him  and how he fairs against McCloskey or Ding.

Yous all know about loughgiel. There's no point in me waxing lyrically about them. What I will say is that Clyde and duck have been outstanding all year. The rest seem to be warming up at the right time.

It'll be close, but I'm going to say that cushendall will be hard to beat. 

[playwiththewind1st]

But the point I am making is the same in any walk of life - if the decision of the 'assessor' is deemed as definitive then there must be an assumption that he is correct. Thats not always the case!

Can I just point out something? Firstly, "assessors" no longer exist, they are now called "advisors" which probably more correctly focuses on their intended role. Secondly, they do not make "decisions", definitive or otherwise. They merely observe a referee & draft up a report on his performance afterwards. The referees committee get a copy, the referee also gets a copy & it is entirely up to him whether he accepts & agrees with what is said in there or not. The advisor's number is on the report & there would be no problem with a referee contacting his advisor to run over the contents.

I will generally always try to speak briefly to a referee after a game & inform him that he was being observed. I can tell you that out of the dozen or so referees that I have watched this season, I have been fairly impressed with the high quality of the officials.

[Milltown Row2]

That's cleared that up. Forgot about the name change. but that's how it goes. Cheers

[playwiththewind1st]

Last time I saw you, I was threatening to go out & assess you pmsl !

[Milltown Row2]

Last time I saw you, I was threatening to go out & assess you pmsl !

A work in progress Sure what else would you be doing? Watching games being involved in games, improving games(hopefully ).

It will never replace playing in games that's for sure, I hopefully have some games to play, even the odd reserve game next year if free. But I'll continue with this until some advisor says I'm shite lol

[pdiddy]

You're shite 

[btdtgtt]

But the point I am making is the same in any walk of life - if the decision of the 'assessor' is deemed as definitive then there must be an assumption that he is correct. Thats not always the case!

Can I just point out something? Firstly, "assessors" no longer exist, they are now called "advisors" which probably more correctly focuses on their intended role. Secondly, they do not make "decisions", definitive or otherwise. They merely observe a referee & draft up a report on his performance afterwards. The referees committee get a copy, the referee also gets a copy & it is entirely up to him whether he accepts & agrees with what is said in there or not. The advisor's number is on the report & there would be no problem with a referee contacting his advisor to run over the contents.

I will generally always try to speak briefly to a referee after a game & inform him that he was being observed. I can tell you that out of the dozen or so referees that I have watched this season, I have been fairly impressed with the high quality of the officials.

Thanks for that!
I can see the process alright but my point is just that if everything was working right then the best ref would get the county final and I don't believe that the case.
Granted tho - no process is ever perfect and people will always have issues!

I suppose the influx of the likes of Aidan Kelly suggests something's going in the right direction.

To repeat - good luck to terry I hope he has no bearing on what turns out to be a great game!

[Milltown Row2]

You're shite 

I'll remember that Only kidding.... or am I ? no but seriously I am, or am I? ha

[Na Glinntí Glasa]

SIE, what are your pre-match thoughts on the SHC final, having seen both teams in action last weekend?

I actually think the appointment of T.R will suit Loughgiel better as they seem to be very disciplined in the tackle and will not concede as many frees as Cushendall will.  Would have preferred someone who would let things go a bit more.

Refs don't win or lose games but their refereeing style can have an impact on the game.

Well, for a start, there will be no landslide 10 point win for either team as some are predicting on here. As ever between these two teams, it'll be tight with no quarter asked or given.

Cushendall have some excellent hurlers. On their day they could beat anyone on the island. McManus, Graffin and P Mc Naughton are the mainstays of the team with Shane the gamer changer. A lot will depend on him  and how he fairs against McCloskey or Ding.

Yous all know about loughgiel. There's no point in me waxing lyrically about them. What I will say is that Clyde and duck have been outstanding all year. The rest seem to be warming up at the right time.

It'll be close, but I'm going to say that cushendall will be hard to beat. 

its prob the game everyone was wanting to see including lgiel! a derby game final can go either way and heads go alot easier on both sides so this game will suit lgiel alot more.

still think it could be a sneaky 1 point win to the dall but only if they improve on how they played against us. if not then lgiel will win and join our good selves and Rossa in doing 4 in a row! 

[theskull1]

Jesus lads. You all seem to know me so well. I fancy the town to win. No sarcasm and no smugness intended at all. But believe me when I say that hope Loughgiel stuff you.

Who are you kidding? Talking your team down before a big game is all this is and you've been at it for a month now. There's no evidence that Loughgiel aren't the favorites to win the championship this year. Ballycastle are 4th in line. Shocks can and do happen but you've zero reason to think loughgiel shouldn't win tomorrows game handy (championship being championship). Ballycastle are no world beaters

Yous all know about loughgiel. There's no point in me waxing lyrically about them

We all knew about Loughgiel before the Ballycastle game SIE ... but for some reason you told us all you doubted them. Back to waxing lyrically about the opposition again before the game ......... is there any point?