The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[RedandGreenSniper]

I think there are two separate issues here and they shouldn't be morphed into one. Some here are saying that Lennon's behaviour is why he is getting the abuse he is. That's not right. That's almost absolving the guilt of the attackers. They need to be pursued swiftly and with the full rigour of the law. It is an awful blight on the game in Scotland.

But I think we can talk about Lennon's behaviour too. People are comparing him to O'Neill, Moyes, Ferguson et al. I don't remember any of them engaging bitterly with an opposition player, even if it was someone as hateful as Diouf. And I certainly don't recall any of them going nose to nose with someone from the opposition management like Lennon did with McCoist. He's the most volatile manager I've ever seen in Scotland or England, including Neil Warnock. It doesn't for one second give anyone the right to do what they are doing and these people should be chased from football grounds for good. But it is not contradictory to say that Lennon is aware of the 'type' of supporters in Scottish football and while to say that any of these threats to him are his fault would be wrong, better behaviour from his on the sideline would probably help things. Ridding these thugs from the stands is not going to happen overnight. Hopefully the Scottish FA and the police will start to act a lot more swiftly than they have been. In the mean time Neil Lennon does need to ease up a little himself as well.

[Abble]

lennon does no more or no less than any other football manager. don't get me wrong on that.
what i'm saying is he is managing a team in a league / environment which does not appear very conducive to his actions. if he is not aware of that by this stage then surely he must take a back seat for a couple of years or manage outside of Scotland.
i was in no way saying he is at fault for receiving beatings, bombs, etc but he has maybe the worst timing i've ever seen from any manager in Scotland to come out with certain stuff and he is in a way contributing to the bigotry/sectarianism that exists there. it may not be extreme but even the small things can be picked up by the wrong people.

[BarryBreensBandage]

Just happen to flick on the game last night a few minutes before the incident occured, got me thinking about lennon and what type of persona he has or is trying to portray.
1. These is no doubt (IMO) his demeanour does bring some of the trouble down on himself
2. He is one selfish man if he's happy to put his family through this orderal for the sake of his celtic iconic status
3. He's not that good of a manager when a he can't break the stranglehold of a near bankrupt club in a 8 -10 th rate european league.
4. is he trying to make himself into some type of martyr ala ML King or Malcom X. lot of talk last night saying what a shame it would be if he walked away. What's he going to prove by staying ?

I have loads of sympathy for him and his family but all he need do walk away and enjoy some normality elsewhere

1. His demeanour? The only thing that brings this on him is being an Irish Catholic in charge of Celtic. O maybe you are referring to him cupping his ears? Oh, I suppose he deserves it then.
2. Aye, I'm sure thats exactly what he's thinking. So you're saying he should just resign because of the threats, thus giving up? I wouldn't blame him if he did, but fair play to him for lasting this long.
3. Noone is saying he's a great manager. It's his first year of being a manager, he's made mistakes. It's made out that he had a huge transfer kitty to spend - his biggest signing was less than £3million, a lot of the others less than £1million. Rangers brought in Jelavic for over £3million, and already had a stronger squad obviously. Celtic last year were a shambles.
4. Same point as number 2.

I have no problem with Lennon, of course he gets more abuse than anyone should get, but there seems to be some consensus that by him staying as manager is some type of victory. From a football point of view, If he wins a league with celtic, is he any better than strackan, his career might see him get a championship job at best on the back of it. There is some perception that he'll triumph for the greater good, the only thing that should matter is the good of your nearest and dearest, whats wrong with living in France with the sun on your back well away from the abuse. Scottish football needs bigots to generate interest in a duopoly, it's a long time since alex ferguson and the mcclean brothers provided entertainment and competition to the league, so for all the righteousness been displayed this morning by the troubled masses they must have their heads buried in the sand cos this aint nothing new

Let's not forget where all this started, with the death threats from Loyalists while Lennon was playing for Northern Ireland.
Did he not quit then for his family's sake? And still they come after him.
Whatever he has done, has any player/manager had to go through what he has gone through?


Quote from today's indo:

And Templeton (Hearts Player), while joining Jefferies in his criticism of the incident, said Lennon's comments in reference to Hearts' 4-0 loss at Rangers last Saturday may have had an impact on the atmosphere at the match.


Templeton, who did not play last night due to a hamstring injury, said: "I think what had happened previously in the papers, about lying down, added to it (the atmosphere)."


The Celtic boss had referred to Rangers' 5-0 win over Motherwell the week before they cruised past Hearts, when he said: "What we are looking for is somebody to compete and give Rangers a game. There has not been much evidence of that in their previous two games."


Jefferies described the comments as "disrespectful", while Lennon said he was "misinterpreted".

So, Alex Ferguson accuses a team of gamesmanship, and he is called a wily old fox.
Neil Lennon does it and he is inciting crowd hatred.

This sort of behaviour toward Lennon is ridiculous and wrong. And I would have the same opinion if was happening to David Jeffries.

Yeah he could help himself, but I have a feeling no matter what he does now, even resigning from Celtic, he will always remain a target. There are those who have had it in for him for years.

[rossie mad]

I think there are two separate issues here and they shouldn't be morphed into one. Some here are saying that Lennon's behaviour is why he is getting the abuse he is. That's not right. That's almost absolving the guilt of the attackers. They need to be pursued swiftly and with the full rigour of the law. It is an awful blight on the game in Scotland.

But I think we can talk about Lennon's behaviour too. People are comparing him to O'Neill, Moyes, Ferguson et al. I don't remember any of them engaging bitterly with an opposition player, even if it was someone as hateful as Diouf. And I certainly don't recall any of them going nose to nose with someone from the opposition management like Lennon did with McCoist. He's the most volatile manager I've ever seen in Scotland or England, including Neil Warnock. It doesn't for one second give anyone the right to do what they are doing and these people should be chased from football grounds for good. But it is not contradictory to say that Lennon is aware of the 'type' of supporters in Scottish football and while to say that any of these threats to him are his fault would be wrong, better behaviour from his on the sideline would probably help things. Ridding these thugs from the stands is not going to happen overnight. Hopefully the Scottish FA and the police will start to act a lot more swiftly than they have been. In the mean time Neil Lennon does need to ease up a little himself as well.

So wengers refusal to shake daglishs hand a few weeks ago and the views exchanged arent any different?
What about pulis and Hughes earlier in the season?
Wengers oubursts at players who injure his players.
Gary Nevilles behaviour in manchester derbys as well as against liverpool.
There are many more examples where behaviour by mangers/players south of the border can be classed as intimadation/stupidity/bad behaviour or whatever people want to class it as.
However i dont hear the same resentment towards some of the above.

What about Martin O Neill?
Everyone remembers his running up and down a touchline jumping like a looney everytime celtic scored whether it be parkhead,easter road,ibrox or pittodrie.
Yet this was seen as accepatable.
If lennon did the same he would condemened for it and said to be spreading hatred.

[Applesisapples]

I think there are two separate issues here and they shouldn't be morphed into one. Some here are saying that Lennon's behaviour is why he is getting the abuse he is. That's not right. That's almost absolving the guilt of the attackers. They need to be pursued swiftly and with the full rigour of the law. It is an awful blight on the game in Scotland.

But I think we can talk about Lennon's behaviour too. People are comparing him to O'Neill, Moyes, Ferguson et al. I don't remember any of them engaging bitterly with an opposition player, even if it was someone as hateful as Diouf. And I certainly don't recall any of them going nose to nose with someone from the opposition management like Lennon did with McCoist. He's the most volatile manager I've ever seen in Scotland or England, including Neil Warnock. It doesn't for one second give anyone the right to do what they are doing and these people should be chased from football grounds for good. But it is not contradictory to say that Lennon is aware of the 'type' of supporters in Scottish football and while to say that any of these threats to him are his fault would be wrong, better behaviour from his on the sideline would probably help things. Ridding these thugs from the stands is not going to happen overnight. Hopefully the Scottish FA and the police will start to act a lot more swiftly than they have been. In the mean time Neil Lennon does need to ease up a little himself as well.

Lennon didn't spark either of those incidents, McCoist and Diouf did.

[lynchbhoy]

thats bullsiht lads
mccoist was a recent example of being the actual agressor in the incident- but has been let off without incuring any ban

plenty of managers have a go at each other - I am trying to remember was it jimmy calderwood or a hearts manager that had to be restrained last season (nothing to do with Celtic)
it happens in the english leagues all the time too. spats and disagreements, refusing to shake hands etc
all that rubbish
its not sectarian then and no one seems to think that the fans are in any way goaded by these incidents (other than for man u and arsenal fans to dislike each other)
fux sake cop on with the excuses.
Lennon has been getting bullets, attacks, death threats since even before Celtic Manager.
...its been allowed to go on...

there are two problems alright
the scottish establishment
the scots fa

the fans are neanderthals.
Celtic fans and Celtic FC are nothing like the scumbags that are indulged by sfa and the clubs like rangers and to a lesser extent hearts, airdrie etc
it isnt two sides of the same coin.....Celtic have a few knuckle draggers I expect, but the club and usually 99.99% of their fans behaviour has been exemplary.
No rioting when beaten by rangers - unlike the converse...etc etc

lets see what the media/scots fa/ scots police/scots parliment do this week and next week - I suspect that this will fade away until next season and the first rangers/hearts loss / Celtic win

[Declan]

Suspicious package found at Celtic Park
Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 01:44 PM



An investigation was launched today after a suspicious package was found at Celtic Park in Glasgow.

Police were called at around 10.30am and officers are at the scene.

A spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police said: "We can confirm that we are currently investigating a suspicious package discovered at Celtic FC today.

"Inquiries are ongoing."

A spokeswoman for Celtic said there was no comment at this time but may be a statement later.


Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/sport/suspicious-package-found-at-celtic-park-504785.html#ixzz1M90kqVbg

[illdecide]

I know Neil Lennon personally, he played for our club team (clan na gael) and he also played for Armagh minors. He was a Gael back then before he choose soccer (correct decision) but when you know someone like that and have to sit back and read some of the dung people write about the man it's maddening and I'd love to write a whole lot more here only I'd be banned. Yes he's no angel and he's ruffled a few feathers but he's done no worse than managers down south have done as pointed out by another poster.

He's an Irish Catholic from Lurgan (town in it's self is full off bitter bastids) and thats why he's getting the abuse. I spoke with a Rangers fan this morning from Glasgow (season ticket holder at Ibrox) and he told me that we only think it's bad in n Ireland, that in Scotland it's actually worse and that there are many Rangers fans out there who actually want to see him murdered and that he wouldn't be surprised if he was found dead one day soon...that is scary shit.

So to all you lads out there who think he deserves the abuse i say...go f**k yourselves no i mean have a good look at yourselves in the mirror

[Banana Man]

I know Neil Lennon personally, he played for our club team (clan na gael) and he also played for Armagh minors. He was a Gael back then before he choose soccer (correct decision) but when you know someone like that and have to sit back and read some of the dung people write about the man it's maddening and I'd love to write a whole lot more here only I'd be banned. Yes he's no angel and he's ruffled a few feathers but he's done no worse than managers down south have done as pointed out by another poster.

He's an Irish Catholic from Lurgan (town in it's self is full off bitter bastids) and thats why he's getting the abuse. I spoke with a Rangers fan this morning from Glasgow (season ticket holder at Ibrox) and he told me that we only think it's bad in n Ireland, that in Scotland it's actually worse and that there are many Rangers fans out there who actually want to see him murdered and that he wouldn't be surprised if he was found dead one day soon...that is scary shit.

So to all you lads out there who think he deserves the abuse i say...go f**k yourselves no i mean have a good look at yourselves in the mirror

+1

[imtommygunn]

who actually want to see him murdered

That is the scariest thing about this whole scenario - some madman could end up doing something like that. It could have happened last night with a knife or whatever. It is a very bad situation and to be honest for his own safety I think he is best off out of it.

[dubai2000]

lads

anyone got contact for CSC - i am looking transport for sundays game

cheers for the help in advance

[tyroneStatto]

I know Neil Lennon personally, he played for our club team (clan na gael) and he also played for Armagh minors. He was a Gael back then before he choose soccer (correct decision) but when you know someone like that and have to sit back and read some of the dung people write about the man it's maddening and I'd love to write a whole lot more here only I'd be banned. Yes he's no angel and he's ruffled a few feathers but he's done no worse than managers down south have done as pointed out by another poster.

He's an Irish Catholic from Lurgan (town in it's self is full off bitter bastids) and thats why he's getting the abuse. I spoke with a Rangers fan this morning from Glasgow (season ticket holder at Ibrox) and he told me that we only think it's bad in n Ireland, that in Scotland it's actually worse and that there are many Rangers fans out there who actually want to see him murdered and that he wouldn't be surprised if he was found dead one day soon...that is scary shit.

So to all you lads out there who think he deserves the abuse i say...go f**k yourselves no i mean have a good look at yourselves in the mirror

well said!

[Milltown Row2]

I know Neil Lennon personally, he played for our club team (clan na gael) and he also played for Armagh minors. He was a Gael back then before he choose soccer (correct decision) but when you know someone like that and have to sit back and read some of the dung people write about the man it's maddening and I'd love to write a whole lot more here only I'd be banned. Yes he's no angel and he's ruffled a few feathers but he's done no worse than managers down south have done as pointed out by another poster.

He's an Irish Catholic from Lurgan (town in it's self is full off bitter bastids) and thats why he's getting the abuse. I spoke with a Rangers fan this morning from Glasgow (season ticket holder at Ibrox) and he told me that we only think it's bad in n Ireland, that in Scotland it's actually worse and that there are many Rangers fans out there who actually want to see him murdered and that he wouldn't be surprised if he was found dead one day soon...that is scary shit.

So to all you lads out there who think he deserves the abuse i say...go f**k yourselves no i mean have a good look at yourselves in the mirror

Martin O'Neill was from Derry (Kilrea?) full of bitter bastids (on both sides off course ) It's strange that he never got the same abuse. No one should be getting the abuse he has got since taking over as manager and from the time he stopped playing for Norn Iron. Will this happen to all mangers from Irish decent who take over the Celtic jobs in the future?

[SambaSaffron]

I know Neil Lennon personally, he played for our club team (clan na gael) and he also played for Armagh minors. He was a Gael back then before he choose soccer (correct decision) but when you know someone like that and have to sit back and read some of the dung people write about the man it's maddening and I'd love to write a whole lot more here only I'd be banned. Yes he's no angel and he's ruffled a few feathers but he's done no worse than managers down south have done as pointed out by another poster.

He's an Irish Catholic from Lurgan (town in it's self is full off bitter bastids) and thats why he's getting the abuse. I spoke with a Rangers fan this morning from Glasgow (season ticket holder at Ibrox) and he told me that we only think it's bad in n Ireland, that in Scotland it's actually worse and that there are many Rangers fans out there who actually want to see him murdered and that he wouldn't be surprised if he was found dead one day soon...that is scary shit.

So to all you lads out there who think he deserves the abuse i say...go f**k yourselves no i mean have a good look at yourselves in the mirror

Martin O'Neill was from Derry (Kilrea?) full of bitter bastids (on both sides off course ) It's strange that he never got the same abuse. No one should be getting the abuse he has got since taking over as manager and from the time he stopped playing for Norn Iron. Will this happen to all mangers from Irish decent who take over the Celtic jobs in the future?

MON got a fair bit of abuse. Not in the same league as Lennon, but still more than managers of 'normal' clubs ever had to put up with.

It's true that some Rangers fans genuinely want to see him killed. Scotland is now worse than the 6 for sectarianism.

[saffron sam2]

who actually want to see him murdered

That is the scariest thing about this whole scenario - some madman could end up doing something like that. It could have happened last night with a knife or whatever. It is a very bad situation and to be honest for his own safety I think he is best off out of it.

All well and good tommy, but

There is just something about Lennon for me though...

He is always attracting trouble. It can't always be the other persons fault.