The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[tyroneman]

Totally disgusted with how far Celtic have fallen in the space of 2 seasons. Lot of blame must lie with the board who have been more concerned with penny pinching than ensuring domination in the SPL.

Sad thing is they will prob spend big now to get back to the level where we could have stayed at with medium investment at the right time.

Bottom line is that not 1 of the players on show would have got near MONs team in thier pomp - and that includes Keane.

[T Fearon]

FFS Keane at least tried, when he of all people could be forgiven for asking himself what the fcuk has was doing there and not giving a fcuk.

The bottom line is simple, Mowbray ripped the heart out of the team and replaced it with a powder puff belly.

Two seasons ago Celtic fought like tigers and won 5 or 6 on the trot under extreme pressure to win the league. Last year the league would have been won if Hibs had been beaten in the second last game and you certainly couldn't fault the effort that day.

The difference is that Scottish born players who know the passion and demands are now helping Middlesbro into a play offs place and their replacements haven't a clue and don't  give a shit either

[lynchbhoy]

Not one of Mowbrays signings have worked, and Rangers thrive with players of limited ability who would nevertheless die for the jersey. I would describe players like Mc Manus and Caldwell as players of that ilk. If they had been in the team, along with Robson and Mc Donald etc, we wouldn't be getting thumped by Ross County and St Mirren. At the end of the day, new manager's arrive with a simple enough brief, arrest decline and in that regard Mowbray was a disaster, while Strachan was successful.

Lennon was on a hiding to nothing. He would have got little credit for winning the Cup but will now get pelters for this defeat and the team wasn't his.

The likes of Samaras, Fortune etc should never wear the Hoops again.

firstly Celtic were off the boil in MON's last season due to the manager's attention being elsewhere- so the side while maybe not as good as they were but were far from a bad side.
an Injection of younger players of the same calibre were needed. Not for  the existing players to be fallen out with and dropped/sold due to the stroppy manager.

secondly, the players you mentioned above - mcmanus, caldwell, mcdonald, robson etc were all there last season when they capitulated as well as when they were humbled by other teams during strachans tenure , so the st mirren result is just another bad one to add to the list of what went before.

while I think keane distracts the rest of the side too much, his goals more or less indicate that his signing has worked. The opposite can be said of fortune. The rest have all been inj though looked good in the small bit ogf gametime they had.

middlesboro's movement has been out and away from promotion place - from third down to ninth recently.

lenon was already getting credit from the likes of yourself and lauding mcgrains tenure - the two lads dont have the exp.
Neiter did strachan or mowbray.
If celtic dont start spending the cash on a manager that can manage, that is tactically aware and can man manage (all items lacking from the last two men) - then they will continue to be second in the spl.
the money is there !

[lynchbhoy]

FFS Keane at least tried, when he of all people could be forgiven for asking himself what the fcuk has was doing there and not giving a fcuk.

The bottom line is simple, Mowbray ripped the heart out of the team and replaced it with a powder puff belly.

Two seasons ago Celtic fought like tigers and won 5 or 6 on the trot under extreme pressure to win the league. Last year the league would have been won if Hibs had been beaten in the second last game and you certainly couldn't fault the effort that day.

The difference is that Scottish born players who know the passion and demands are now helping Middlesbro into a play offs place and their replacements haven't a clue and don't  give a shit either

balls
Celtic lay down like powder puffs last season and blew a 9 point lead

mowbray didnt make it any better an thus failed.
equal to strachan, and I am sure if rangers had le guen etc there he would have emulated strachan in winning a title !

[Minder]

Just saw the interview with Lennon there, he looked as if he had seen a ghost

[Shrewdness]

What an absolute joke Celtic have become as a team, an absolute shambles. It shows the direction that Robbie Keane's career is heading when he has sought refuge there.

I grew up supporting United, but in an era when Celtic and Liverpool were powerhouses with every player a good one.
Nowadays, both clubs are overloaded with second rate foreigners, and that for me is where both clubs have gone wrong.

If you took the pick of the current Celtic and Liverpool teams, you wouldn't get half a good team.

By the way, Neil Lennon is not the long term answer to Celtic's problems, but i know who is.

IF he would accept the job, the man to lead Celtic is ROY HODGSON. Remember where you read it first.

[Myles Na G.]

Possibly the worst result in Celtic's illustrious history Only Keane looked as if he cared.

Blame must lie with Mowbray (and those who appointed him), every signing he made was a disaster and don't dare tell me if Mc Manus, Robson, Caldwell and Hartley had been out there to-day, that Ross Co would have won 2-0.

Actually toyed with the idea of going over for this, thank fcuk I didn't

Agree 100%. Send for Paul Lambert.

[maldini]

Mowbray has set Celtic back over 10 years, what a terrible team

In hindight getting rid of mcmanus, caldwell, robson and mcdonald in January were bad mistakes. look at the idiots theyre left with Josh Thompson would struggle to get a game in the irish league

clear the lot of them out and start again

[wanderer]

How and why is everything Mowbrays fault?

Team Today;
Strachan's signings Zaluska, Hinkel, Naylor, Brown, Samaras;
Homegrown players McGeady, O'Dea;
Mowbrays signings Thompson, N'Guemo, Fortune
Plus 2 of the 3 subs were Strachans signings.

Fair enough there's an argument that he was rash in getting so many out the door at one time, but if you go through them
McManus, lost count of the number of times that I have heard Celtic fans bemoan how poor he is and how he should be dropped/sold etc and then when he leaves he is suddenly Baresi
Caldwell was going at the end of the season on his bosman. Decent player and if injury situation was predicted would have stayed to the summer. But again, Celtic (and Hibs) fans were calling him a liability for an age.
Hartley was on the way downhill when he joined Celtic, had his peak at Hearts and although a reliable head I don't believe he would have stemmed the flow today
Robson & McDonald were 2 I would have kept, although in saying that McDonald seemed to believe that he had a right to be in the Celtic team every week and when he was on the bench threw the toys out of the pram.#

Like someone else said, I think getting rid of Mowbray was a mistake. For all the talk about Lennon installing passion etc, if you don't have it in you, the manager can't give it to you on the way out of the changing rooms.
The team today was a joke, Keane on his own upfront with Samaras wandering about lost (when he managed to stay on his feet), subbing N'Guemo a ballwinner in the first half and bringing on Crosas who never looks comfortable in frantic games. McGeady & Fortune not interested. Celtic got what they deserved

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

maybe LDA can tell is if part of the problem was that Lennon and mcgrain 'didnt fully appreciate' the challenge for the 'old firm' clubs !!

Another strange statement. Without doubt both men fully appreciate that Celtic have to beat Ross County whatever the circumstances. The idea that Mowbray was starting "to get it right" that you keep rolling out is ridiculous and anybody claiming this lacks credibility.

Celtic were terrible today and were well beaten. People can blame Strachan, Mowbray, Lennon and the Board but the simple fact is Celtic should have been capable of winning today regardless of who was in charge. No Ross County player is on more than £400 a week. The Celtic team has no leadership though and too many players just werent up for it. The Celtic board now have a major job on their hands to find somebody who can come and sort out the shambles left by the previous manager.

Great credit to Ross County who have come a long way in a short time, they were in the Highland League until 1994. Dingwall is a town of only 5000 people but the town and surrounding area gives its club great support and deserve their day in the sun. A great football story and will be most refreshing to have a cup final without either side of the Old Firm.

[lynchbhoy]

No stranger than that blinkered daft notion that to suceed in Scotland that you must understand Celtic/rangers and the hoopla surrounding them you put up prev!
Certainly Lennon knows! Strachan knows. Mowbray IMO did know. None really suceeded!

Other than that you re-iterate what I said - apart from where mowbray was starting to succeed... He got rid of the obv rubbish ....but that was 6 months too late!!! And also was getting clean sheets... But too late.

Wanderer has it spot on apart from remembering that robson has been out inj for the past two seasons and mcdonald was also battling inj for the past 18 months as well as an over inflated attitude and loss of work ethic!

Would like to see Dundee it'd winning a trophy...just rewards for their play these past few seasons!

[ONeill]

Jays Mowbray has reduced a side with limited potential to a complete shambles. Noises from Celtic suggest his training regime was a joke.

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

No stranger than that blinkered daft notion that to suceed in Scotland that you must understand Celtic/rangers and the hoopla surrounding them you put up prev!
Certainly Lennon knows! Strachan knows. Mowbray IMO did know. None really suceeded!

Perhaps you will explain this "hoopla" I put up. Are you referring to me saying Mowbray did not appreciate what was required of a Celtic manager? His comment that Celtic fans might excuse him this disaster of a season if he delivered a treble three years down the line proved that point quite conclusively. The idea there were positives to take from a 4-0 defeat to St.Mirren again showed he had somehow failed to grasp what was required.

The Strachan obsession is tiresome to be honest, its be done to death on here and is irrelevant to Celtic's defeat today. Once again I dont think he is a great manager but he delivered Celtic 3 titles and took them to the latter stages of the Champions League twice despite having a reduced budget in comparison to MON. He made a mess of the final months of his final season and the time was right for him to go but he still left a solid enough squad which a competent manager could have built upon with the right additions. Mowbray managed to take it backwards. You suggest he cleared out the rubbish but it was his legacy which left Celtic with a centre defence today of a kid from Stockport who wasnt supposed to be near the first team this season (and it shows) and a lad who couldnt get a game for Reading. I dont know a single Celtic supporter who believes Mowbray was making progress or that the board paniced in removing him, it was obvious the poor man was out his depth and that it was beyond him to turn it around. You dont really seem to be in touch with the situation at Celtic or in Scottish football in general.

[Atticus_Finch]

Celtic should approach Mick McCarthy, you know it makes sense.

[T Fearon]

People seem to think that the likes of Hodgson etc would even consider coming to Celtic. Not in a million years. Its not like 10 years ago when the job was attractive to managers the calibre of O'Neill etc.

Do players on 30 grand a week care or is it possible to motivate them for games against Ross Co?

Bottom line is that this time last year Celtic were a passionate competitive side, and one that would have won the Scottish Title had they beaten Hibs at Easter Road in the penultimte game, instead of doing everything but score in a nil all draw.Strachan was manager.

This year its a shambles and the blame must lie squarely with the person who was manager for best part of this season