The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[ludermor]

There was a lad on Newstalk last week talking bout Martin O'Neill and he said that in his whole management career he had only signed 3 south american players, anyone know if this is right???

[rossie mad]

Was brown not bought for 6 million?
I thought i read that somewhere.Probably reading euro figures so.

So you are now saying that strachan didnt want roy keane 

Well if he didnt it just confirms my belief of him as a manager.
Above average at best.

o neill didnt blow an eight point lead on the run in against worse rangers side in years.

If strachan had got robbie keane this time last year he probably would have won the league as he had seven point lead.
But then that would say more about keanes scoring ability than strachans tactical prowess.

You see the club was getting a bad image with strachan in charge grinding out results and playing pish in europe etc.
Thats not the celtic way and the hierarchy and supporters could see this.

Remember the last match against man utd in celtic park?
I was never so embarrased as a celtic supporter that night as that was typical of celtic under strachan pure muck

[mountainboii]

There was a lad on Newstalk last week talking bout Martin O'Neill and he said that in his whole management career he had only signed 3 south american players, anyone know if this is right???

Juninho is one, he was crap. Did O'Neill sign that Rafael Shite guy?

[the colonel]

That was Barnes who signed Scheidt.

Brown cost £4.4m to be exact

[Minder]

Martin O'Neill signed Emile Heskey. Case closed.

[rossie mad]

I will keep the faith when I see evidence that its worth keeping, but I refuse to get carried away with a home win against a club in disarray. Difference between Strachan and Mowbray is three titles, one Scottish Cup and one CIS Cup, and Champions League end stage qualification. I also notice that he seems to be finding his feet with Middlesbro as well, they're only a couple of points off a promotion qualifier place.

considering they were near the top two and he has a ex epl squad that is /was mostly head and shoulders over the vast majority of squads in epl - thats not much of a boast for strachan...
Mowbray cant have three spl titles etc behind him when hes only half way through his first season.
Judge him over the same 5 as strachan.
Already in first season european ventures, mowbray is way better with the poor showing in europa leage in comparison to strachans artmedia bratislavia tactic-less disgrace !

FFS, Strachan could win Boro promotion this year and the EPL next year and you'd still be finding reasons to begrudge him his success. If Boro were so good, why did they sack Southgate? If Strachan is such a poor manager, why does he have better club record than Mowbray? Why was his time at Celtic more successful, and accomplished at a fraction of the cost, than MON? If Rangers were so bad during Strachan's tenure, how come they equalled MON's crowning achievement while at CP by reaching a major European final? You really do talk a load of balls.

You would bring that up you troll.
The difference is o neill had celtic playing some of the best football in europe at the time and the results show that.
Rangers however were defensive at best and their one track tactic got them to the final.
Yes they got to the final but with the grace of a sow having a crap.

If a chairman had MON and smith in his final two for a job and the decision lay on both teams uefa cup runs and their performances well it wouldnt take a genius to figure which one he would pick.

Now you go back to your Ibrox websites and talk about what you know best which is s**t football

Like I said to you before, stick to the gaelic football and stop coming on here with your garbled facts (£6m for Scott Brown?  )

I was quoting the media in the south which uses euro figures you rankers lover.

Just to let you know i am a expert on both gaelic football and celtic so ill be here for quite a while you two faced troll.
you heading to Ibrox at the weelend?

There was a lad on Newstalk last week talking bout Martin O'Neill and he said that in his whole management career he had only signed 3 south american players, anyone know if this is right???

I think i remeber o neill brought some young brazillian defender on trial for a while but dont think anything came of it.

[lynchbhoy]

I will keep the faith when I see evidence that its worth keeping, but I refuse to get carried away with a home win against a club in disarray. Difference between Strachan and Mowbray is three titles, one Scottish Cup and one CIS Cup, and Champions League end stage qualification. I also notice that he seems to be finding his feet with Middlesbro as well, they're only a couple of points off a promotion qualifier place.

considering they were near the top two and he has a ex epl squad that is /was mostly head and shoulders over the vast majority of squads in epl - thats not much of a boast for strachan...
Mowbray cant have three spl titles etc behind him when hes only half way through his first season.
Judge him over the same 5 as strachan.
Already in first season european ventures, mowbray is way better with the poor showing in europa leage in comparison to strachans artmedia bratislavia tactic-less disgrace !

FFS, Strachan could win Boro promotion this year and the EPL next year and you'd still be finding reasons to begrudge him his success. If Boro were so good, why did they sack Southgate? If Strachan is such a poor manager, why does he have better club record than Mowbray? Why was his time at Celtic more successful, and accomplished at a fraction of the cost, than MON? If Rangers were so bad during Strachan's tenure, how come they equalled MON's crowning achievement while at CP by reaching a major European final? You really do talk a load of balls.

You would bring that up you troll.
The difference is o neill had celtic playing some of the best football in europe at the time and the results show that.
Rangers however were defensive at best and their one track tactic got them to the final.
Yes they got to the final but with the grace of a sow having a crap.

If a chairman had MON and smith in his final two for a job and the decision lay on both teams uefa cup runs and their performances well it wouldnt take a genius to figure which one he would pick.

Now you go back to your Ibrox websites and talk about what you know best which is s**t football

Like I said to you before, stick to the gaelic football and stop coming on here with your garbled facts (£6m for Scott Brown?  )

He may be a GAA fan firstly (like a lot of us here on a GAA website) but he obv knows more about soccer than you seem to do.
we can compare all we like, but you cannot expect to compare mogga with half a season and  strachan with Celtic with 5  or 4 seasons with Celtic.
I'd always go back to strachans first compeitive game v artmedia bratislavia. That shows his tactical acumen - or the lack of it.
Mowbray in his first season is as good as strachan last season, prob better. Thats despite the rubbish players he has inherited. Mogga makes mistakes, he is no hiddink or MON, but he is building a team that I like the look of. Centre halves that can defend, midfielders that dont go missing and strikers that can score (ok maybe not fortune - though he might be the kind of player for CL when he has space and isnt up againt 10 man defences)

MON is head and shoulders - even ankles above strachan, who was poor in english top and second divisions, and is proving mediocre again despite having one of the best and biggest and more expensive squads in the english championship.
best of luck to him now, but he was not much cop at Celtic. he did ok for a couple of seasons and just about won league titles  where Celtic should have cantered to them.
The players look like real footballers now and there is none of that petty squabbling with the likes of mcgeady and the dressingroom split that was caused by strachan.

[lynchbhoy]

It was £4m for Scott Brown actually and he help deliver a league title. Also Roy Keane was a dud signed against Strachan's wishes for the purpose of signing merchandise.

Was Martin O'Neill found out in the last match of the 2004/05 season?

Managers tend to  want "their own teams" for egotistical reasons. In my opinion Mowbray has moved a lot of players on who have experience of winning Scottish League titles and there is no guarantee or evidence that his replacements are any better.

Also as I've said before, if Strachan had had the luxury of bringing in Robbie Keane this time last year, he would have won a fourth title in a row.

thats borderline disgraceful tony.
Do you not recall that MON was distracted the entire season and why ?
A hint - wife having been diagnosed with cancer ....

[T Fearon]

I'm just applying the logic that decrees that Strachan was found out late last season, thats all. His personal circumstances didn't enter my head.

No disrespect at all, but I know better than most the pressures of fulfilling work commitments, to an acceptable standard, while dealing with a close relative actually dying from cancer. If I remember correctly, it didn't seem to unduly affect O'Neill a week or two later in that season's Scottish Cup Final.

[lynchbhoy]

I'm just applying the logic that decrees that Strachan was found out late last season, thats all. His personal circumstances didn't enter my head.
No disrespect at all, but I know better than most the pressures of fulfilling work commitments, to an acceptable standard, while dealing with a close relative actually dying from cancer. If I remember correctly, it didn't seem to unduly affect O'Neill a week or two later in that season's Scottish Cup Final.

tony, a one off game hardly constitutes the requirement for long term concentration- the opposite in fact.
You know the situation MON was in more than most, so your argument against him  as above is silly in prolonging it.
Imo strachan was found out on a regular basis throughout his tenue are Celtic manager. Various games v rangers, artmedia bratislavia, clyde in scottish cup and others where his ego/bad man management/purite inept tactics etc caused Celtic to lose.

As rangers this past number of years (since the middle of MON's reign) have been virtually penniless, the leagues have been Celtics to lose.
A succession of bad rangers managers, feck all cash and off field troubles meant they have been the worst team there in living memory. Fair play to walter smith who def gets his players like boyd,davis, and any defender he seems to pick/buy to play out of their skin while in reality they are average at best !
Strachan couldnt do that, mowbray has yet to do so.
but dont tell us that strachan was good when he wasnt. I supported him when he was there but am not  sorry to see him go - and its not that he wasnt a celtic man - thats a load of pants - wim jansen wasnt a celtic man or Dr Jo and I supported them too. MON's first two seasons was not silky skilled soccer, but I supported him. Strachans was all out attack and mindless defending like a amateur or underage team - but I supported it.
Mowbray isnt Hiddink or mourinho - whould I would like to see manage Celtic, but thats all Celtic can afford and he's doing ok for now. Thats all we can ask for.

[T Fearon]

agreed. But there seems to be a fair few who think M.ON (remember Scottish Cup defeats to Inverness?) was absolutely brilliant, Mowbray is absolutely brilliant (with no evidence whatsover), but Strachan was absolutely disastrous.

I have been operating with a little tongue in cheek this past few weeks, applying to Mowbray the same criteria that was applied by so many to Strachan (ie criticising the guy for merely existing!)

Regardless of the strength or otherwise of the opposition, Strachan was the first manager to win three titles in a row since Big Jock and gave plenty of memorable European Evenings against the likes of Man Ure and AC Milan etc.

At the end of the day a manager is judged on his trophy haul and on that socre, as Billy Mc Neill said at a dinner I attended last year, Strachan can not be faulted.

[lynchbhoy]

agreed. But there seems to be a fair few who think M.ON (remember Scottish Cup defeats to Inverness?) was absolutely brilliant, Mowbray is absolutely brilliant (with no evidence whatsover), but Strachan was absolutely disastrous.

I have been operating with a little tongue in cheek this past few weeks, applying to Mowbray the same criteria that was applied by so many to Strachan (ie criticising the guy for merely existing!)

Regardless of the strength or otherwise of the opposition, Strachan was the first manager to win three titles in a row since Big Jock and gave plenty of memorable European Evenings against the likes of Man Ure and AC Milan etc.

At the end of the day a manager is judged on his trophy haul and on that socre, as Billy Mc Neill said at a dinner I attended last year, Strachan can not be faulted.

titles cannot be argued against, but I recall the nightmares against half decent cl opposition like shakthar, copenhagen with stealing victories against milan, moscow and man u when we did not deserve them (not that I complained).
With such a poor rangers team during all of strachans tenure, I would have expected he won the league ALL of those years not failure in two of them.
I was as disappointed when MON lost the league in the last season, but he had good reason for his lack of focus. Fair play to him for not quitting before Christmas when he got the news.

If mowbray replicates strachans failures, then I will deem him in a similar fashion.
Right now, he has got my trust more so because he has moved to get rid of the obvious poor players, when strachan insisted in signing them and continue to play them.
Mowbray has done so already (not popular regarding mcmanus , but i personally have always stated he was not a centre half or good enough to play there for Celtic - no matter how nice a guy he was).
As Strachan couldnt see these obvious things, I couldnt have faith in him.
That he still won titles shows how poor the spl can be.
his record as a manager elsewhere shows he isnt up to much.

[T Fearon]

Well taking Southampton to the Cup Final in England must count for something!

I will reserve judgement on both until the end of this season. However, I would say that Middlesbro have a better chance right now of being in the EPL next season, than Celtic have of winning the SPL.

There is no obvious indication as yet that the players Mowbray has brought in are any better than those discarded, his track record in England s as bad if not worse than Strachan's,and I have never seen Robbie Keane so uptight and miss so many chances as he did the other night. The next month will tell the tale.

[lynchbhoy]

Well taking Southampton to the Cup Final in England must count for something!

I will reserve judgement on both until the end of this season. However, I would say that Middlesbro have a better chance right now of being in the EPL next season, than Celtic have of winning the SPL.

There is no obvious indication as yet that the players Mowbray has brought in are any better than those discarded, his track record in England s as bad if not worse than Strachan's,and I have never seen Robbie Keane so uptight and miss so many chances as he did the other night. The next month will tell the tale.

well Tony, you mustnt have been watching the same Robbie keane as the rest of us when he plays for spurs and Ireland then
I have always said that Keane will miss 5 to score 1.
usually misses the easy ones as well and scores the crackers !

bringing southampton to cup final - thats great success alright !
wasnt it he who got the never previously relegated coventry sent down ?

[Celt_Man]

O'Dea warns Keane of Glasgow danger
Friday, 12 February 2010 10:09

Darren O'Dea has warned new Celtic team-mate Robbie Keane of the dangers of going out in Glasgow after a man reportedly threatened to kneecap the defender.

O'Dea became involved in a row with a man who accused him of chatting up his girlfriend while the player was celebrating his 23rd birthday last week.

Keane joined Celtic on loan from Tottenham until the end of the season on transfer deadline day and O'Dea fears he could face similar problems if he is not careful.

'It's disappointing, but it's one of those things,' said O'Dea, who is hoping to return from a hamstring injury in time for Saturday's Clydesdale Bank Premier League game at Aberdeen.

'It's part and parcel of living in Glasgow. I'll be a lot more careful in future or I just won't go out.

'I'm a professional footballer and some people like to pick fights with us. I don't usually go out that much anyway, so I'll just have to stay in more.

'Other players get targeted by people and that's what it's like. That's the problem when you only have two big clubs like Celtic and Rangers in one city.'

O'Dea added in the Daily Mail: 'It's not the first time it has happened and it won't be the last.

'Robbie has joined us now and he'll have to get used to it, too.

'Glasgow is a tough place to live and there are certain parts of the city you just don't go.'