The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[T Fearon]

I don't think the tie is finished.In front of a rocking Celtic Park next week and an early goal,a 3 nil win is achievable,but what's the point in qualifying for the group stages? Might get big money but the team would be lucky to get one point out of six games.

What about this young lad Robertson that Dundee Utd sold to Hull for £3m? Celtic released him a couple of years ago on the basis he was too small?

[charlieTully]

Is the match not in murrayfield again next week?

[highorlow]

I think it is Murrayfield.

[nrico2006]

Pretty embarrassing stuff from Celtic, but I suppose you come to expect these kind of results from small clubs when they get a sniff of European football.

[Applesisapples]

Tonight showed why Lennon left.Not impossible to turn this around,not as bad as Artemedia in 05 which was nearly turned around.What is to be done? Even if they could persuade big name players to come,they can't afford the fees or wages,through no fault of their own.

Shame is that FIFA and UEFA have allowed legendary clubs like Celtic,Benfica,Ajax,Anderlecht to whither and practically die.

Tony I disagree, Celtic's woes are of the boards making, they have a world wide fan base that most outside of the top 5 or 6 European teams would kill for. They are guaranteed a tilt at the CL every year. They could afford to build a squad that would reach the last 16 each year and reap the financial rewards. Then there is the image and merchandising money that good players gerarate. Who outside of their small native homelands would want Pukki or Stokes on a shirt.

[illdecide]

Tonight showed why Lennon left.Not impossible to turn this around,not as bad as Artemedia in 05 which was nearly turned around.What is to be done? Even if they could persuade big name players to come,they can't afford the fees or wages,through no fault of their own.

Shame is that FIFA and UEFA have allowed legendary clubs like Celtic,Benfica,Ajax,Anderlecht to whither and practically die.

Tony I disagree, Celtic's woes are of the boards making, they have a world wide fan base that most outside of the top 5 or 6 European teams would kill for. They are guaranteed a tilt at the CL every year. They could afford to build a squad that would reach the last 16 each year and reap the financial rewards. Then there is the image and merchandising money that good players gerarate. Who outside of their small native homelands would want Pukki or Stokes on a shirt.

I disagree Apples, if Celtic pay big money for big players and pay top wages that does not guarantee you anything and automatic qualification is by far a certainty. Two years in a row of non qualification would be enough to put them under...I do agree that the board can def do a bit more than they're doing but they do have to be careful. I think the got about 2 million last year from TV rights, the bottom teams in the English Premiership expect about 80 million this year from TV rights...there's the difference

[Applesisapples]

Tonight showed why Lennon left.Not impossible to turn this around,not as bad as Artemedia in 05 which was nearly turned around.What is to be done? Even if they could persuade big name players to come,they can't afford the fees or wages,through no fault of their own.

Shame is that FIFA and UEFA have allowed legendary clubs like Celtic,Benfica,Ajax,Anderlecht to whither and practically die.

Tony I disagree, Celtic's woes are of the boards making, they have a world wide fan base that most outside of the top 5 or 6 European teams would kill for. They are guaranteed a tilt at the CL every year. They could afford to build a squad that would reach the last 16 each year and reap the financial rewards. Then there is the image and merchandising money that good players gerarate. Who outside of their small native homelands would want Pukki or Stokes on a shirt.

I disagree Apples, if Celtic pay big money for big players and pay top wages that does not guarantee you anything and automatic qualification is by far a certainty. Two years in a row of non qualification would be enough to put them under...I do agree that the board can def do a bit more than they're doing but they do have to be careful. I think the got about 2 million last year from TV rights, the bottom teams in the English Premiership expect about 80 million this year from TV rights...there's the difference

Christ I'm not suggesting spending big on big names, but modestly on a bit of quality on players with a little more marketability.

[lynchbhoy]

Celtic will continue on a downward spiral until they get into English premier league - as Dermot desmond has been crusading for past 10 years+ - or they end up in an annual muck fight with all the scots minnows

[T Fearon]

I see Lennon is commenting today, obviously a sign of his frustration. But what can the club really do given the circumstances beyond their control? Top players won't come to Scotland even if the money to buy and pay them was available.Neither can I see Celtic or Rangers being admitted to the English Premiership as Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

It's up to FIFA and UEFA to step in and prevent the cash cow being milked dry by England, Spain and to a lesser extent Germany and Italy.

[Orior]

I see Lennon is commenting today, obviously a sign of his frustration. But what can the club really do given the circumstances beyond their control? Top players won't come to Scotland even if the money to buy and pay them was available.Neither can I see Celtic or Rangers being admitted to the English Premiership as Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

It's up to FIFA and UEFA to step in and prevent the cash cow being milked dry by England, Spain and to a lesser extent Germany and Italy.

But if Cardiff and Swansea can do it, then why cant Celtic? Couldn't they just do a straight swap with Berwick?

[T Fearon]

Cardiff and Swansea have been in the English league for decades (Cardiff were in the 1927 FA Cup Final), presumably the Welsh FA didn't even exist when these two were admitted into the English FA.


Fact is that no modern day club is going to be allowed to switch jurisdiction for no good reason otherwise it would make a completely mockery of all leagues.

The answer lies with a fairer and wider distribution of tv monies

[charlieTully]

Cardiff and Swansea have been in the English league for decades (Cardiff were in the 1927 FA Cup Final), presumably the Welsh FA didn't even exist when these two were admitted into the English FA.


Fact is that no modern day club is going to be allowed to switch jurisdiction for no good reason otherwise it would make a completely mockery of all leagues.

The answer lies with a fairer and wider distribution of tv monies

Biggest mistake the SPL ever made was going with Setanta, its been downhill ever since. The board have to accept responsbility for last night, as someone posted in kerrydale street, Can we send Deila and Berget back to Poundland for a refund?
On last nights performance the league might not be just the formality people think.

[T Fearon]

Honestly don't know what the answer is.After what happened Rangers,money will not be gambled.Indeed if Desmond made £100m was made available for players tomorrow,who of proven genuine Champions League pedigree would come to Celtic or to play in Scotland?

Needs to be a fundamental change to football financing across the globe to create a level playing field

[foxcommander]

Honestly don't know what the answer is.After what happened Rangers,money will not be gambled.Indeed if Desmond made £100m was made available for players tomorrow,who of proven genuine Champions League pedigree would come to Celtic or to play in Scotland?

Needs to be a fundamental change to football financing across the globe to create a level playing field

I get laughed at when I mention this. Over the next decade there will be about 12 teams in europe that can win the CL. Athletico were a fluke last year to get to the final and they've been dismantled by the richer clubs over the summer picking at their carcass. Even if they have won it they still would have sold all their players.

Look at Southampton. If they were rich enough they could have been challenging next season. At this rate they might get relegated next year.

The old joy of football was that it was unpredictable and that on any given day your team might just upset the opposition. Now these guys get plenty of chances (CL groups) if they do slip to rectify.

Fukcing pointless. No more dreaming of glory and thats why you have hoardes of Chelsea fans these days. Doubt they were around when Dixon and Speedie were their top players.

[Minder]

Honestly don't know what the answer is.After what happened Rangers,money will not be gambled.Indeed if Desmond made £100m was made available for players tomorrow,who of proven genuine Champions League pedigree would come to Celtic or to play in Scotland?

Needs to be a fundamental change to football financing across the globe to create a level playing field

I get laughed at when I mention this. Over the next decade there will be about 12 teams in europe that can win the CL. Athletico were a fluke last year to get to the final and they've been dismantled by the richer clubs over the summer picking at their carcass. Even if they have won it they still would have sold all their players.

Look at Southampton. If they were rich enough they could have been challenging next season. At this rate they might get relegated next year.

The old joy of football was that it was unpredictable and that on any given day your team might just upset the opposition. Now these guys get plenty of chances (CL groups) if they do slip to rectify.

Fukcing pointless. No more dreaming of glory and thats why you have hoardes of Chelsea fans these days. Doubt they were around when Dixon and Speedie were their top players.

If it was a fluke why have the best players been bought by the richer clubs? And they won the Spanish league with a wage bill similar to that of Stoke, hardly a team of mugs. With a good manager, a good youth setup, scouting you can be successful.