The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[Angelo]

I'd love to argue all day with you Angelo, it's really a marathon with you as you'd argue a black crows white.

To summarise: Everton is in EVERY way, shape or form more appealing than Celtic. As are most EPL clubs. Whether that be for managers or players. You can't even tell me why Everton were willing to spend £11.5m on a multiple European cup winner for their managers job. Why are they paying a premium on a multiple European champion? To secure a top 8 finish? When have the Celtic hierarchy ever shown that sort of ambition? When have they last invested heavily in the squad?

You have said nothing to counter the facts - other than "European nights at Celtic Park". If you were anywhere close to being correct, we'd see a stream of players queuing up to play for Celtic or Rangers. We have nothing of the sort. There is almost zero prestige associated with the Scottish game these days. Your whole argument is based on opinion. So no, you are not a realist, you are a Celtic Da.

I am a realist and in real terms, Celtic are a small club. They have a big fan base and a great history but in today's world, they aren't big guns. They play in a fairly substandard league and have only one real team to compete with (and we can't even do that now!). That is the reality. Just because you can't remove your emotional attachment to club does not make your piss weak arguments fact.

On a financial aspect Everton are more appealing than Celtic.

On every other aspect they are a tinpot club. Less fans, smaller stadium, no European football, no silverware in nearly 30 years. They are a midtable team that go through the motions every years. It's no wonder they have to pay Ancelotti, an out of work manager sacked from his last two jobs and double the salary he was on at Napoli to take the job.

That is the reality. I think you might need some electro shock therapy to wean you off your Sky Sports addiction.

[Main Street]

It's 14 or so years since Celtic beat Man U in the CL, the finacial gap was big then but has since gone through the roof. The media money means that even the EPL bottom teams have 3 times more annual income than Celtic.
That's the reality, the comical bit is then you have Irish people who have imagined  themselve to be deeply connection to one of the top EPL franchise clubs, boasting about how great they are  in comparison to the SPL  

[JimStynes]

Villa and Red Star ARE big clubs.

Jim Stynes seems to be of the Little Englander variety who thinks clubs with loads of money and little tradition are big clubs.

Everton?

[Angelo]

Villa and Red Star ARE big clubs.

Jim Stynes seems to be of the Little Englander variety who thinks clubs with loads of money and little tradition are big clubs.

Everton?

Everton are tin pot club.

[Louther]

Celtic are a biscuit tin club - as you say yourself.

[Angelo]

Celtic are a biscuit tin club - as you say yourself.

A massive club with a biscuit tin mentality.

[5times5times]

What's more attractive, even the EFL championship, or the SFL?

The blinkered vision of Celtic fans is boggling. Has been club, in Europe anyway. Miles behind Rangers. Clown of a manager... But at least Scott Brown is a tough guy....

[general_lee]

What's more attractive, even the EFL championship, or the SFL?

The blinkered vision of Celtic fans is boggling. Has been club, in Europe anyway. Miles behind Rangers. Clown of a manager... But at least Scott Brown is a tough guy....

I'm a Celtic fan and am under absolutely no illusions where we stand in the pecking order.

[Angelo]

What's more attractive, even the EFL championship, or the SFL?

The blinkered vision of Celtic fans is boggling. Has been club, in Europe anyway. Miles behind Rangers. Clown of a manager... But at least Scott Brown is a tough guy....

The SPL.

The blinkered version of Sky Sports addicted little Englanders like yourself is boggling. You probably think Burnley are a bigger club than Celtic.

There are about 5/6 English clubs as big as Celtic and Rangers in terms of stature and history.

The rest have to substitute for that with money.

[Louther]

I don't want to be seen to slag of Celtic. They plenty of support and links to Ireland. Some outstanding teams over the years and plenty of great nights at Parkhead. No denying that.

But through no fault of their own, they've been left behind. At the very minimum they need to be in CL group stages year in year out, to build up funds to attract the players and managers. It's there only route to money. The SPL tv deal won't offer that and weekly gates will maintain the level they currently at.

Big name managers like Ancelotti or Jose or Allegri or whoever at that level, aren't going to join a "project" to build a team on chance of getting to CL. They want to send money and have their own team handed to them. They not going to develop players.

Rodgers was a brilliant appointment at the time, even when it raised some eyebrows. He was willing to build a team and played quality attacking football.

Lennon didn't continue this while the financial gap has widened. They need clever loan deals and getting players on way up to take them forward. I remember reading when Sanchez joined United his weekly wage was bigger than the entire Celtic squad. That's what you dealing and no sugar daddy is going to bridge that gap. It's not ambition, it's financial suicide to chase a chance at CL group stages.

Celtic have badly missed the home crowd this year to get early momentum and the rot set in. Not saying it make difference due to poor management or out of form players but they needed the push on.

[johnnycool]

Villa and Red Star ARE big clubs.

Jim Stynes seems to be of the Little Englander variety who thinks clubs with loads of money and little tradition are big clubs.

Everton?

Everton are tin pot club.

They've a cup winners cup in their back pocket and when they were top of the English leagues at a time when English football was top of Europe Heysel happened and the rest is history.

[thebar]

What's more attractive, even the EFL championship, or the SFL?

The blinkered vision of Celtic fans is boggling. Has been club, in Europe anyway. Miles behind Rangers. Clown of a manager... But at least Scott Brown is a tough guy....

The SPL.

The blinkered version of Sky Sports addicted little Englanders like yourself is boggling. You probably think Burnley are a bigger club than Celtic.

There are about 5/6 English clubs as big as Celtic and Rangers in terms of stature and history.

The rest have to substitute for that with money.

I'd be more worried about how well the team was performing than arguing my club is bigger than your club. Look forward not back and concentrate on now.

[JimStynes]

Celtic are a biscuit tin club - as you say yourself.

A massive club with a biscuit tin mentality.

They also live within their means due to the shit league they're in. That 20 odd million they have in the bank wouldn't be long disappearing without Champions league football for a few seasons. Celtic won't be able to do much more when they're in that crap league. Kilmarnock on a Tuesday night isn't going to attract too many top players.

[5times5times]

What's more attractive, even the EFL championship, or the SFL?

The blinkered vision of Celtic fans is boggling. Has been club, in Europe anyway. Miles behind Rangers. Clown of a manager... But at least Scott Brown is a tough guy....

The SPL.

The blinkered version of Sky Sports addicted little Englanders like yourself is boggling. You probably think Burnley are a bigger club than Celtic.

There are about 5/6 English clubs as big as Celtic and Rangers in terms of stature and history.

The rest have to substitute for that with money.

Will "stature and history" bring a young emerging talent to Celtic, or Rangers? Maybe only Rangers at this rate, who are going completely the other direction to Celtic.

Who is honestly, the last "big" player to be signed by EITHER of those clubs?

[Louther]

What's more attractive, even the EFL championship, or the SFL?

The blinkered vision of Celtic fans is boggling. Has been club, in Europe anyway. Miles behind Rangers. Clown of a manager... But at least Scott Brown is a tough guy....

The SPL.

The blinkered version of Sky Sports addicted little Englanders like yourself is boggling. You probably think Burnley are a bigger club than Celtic.

There are about 5/6 English clubs as big as Celtic and Rangers in terms of stature and history.

The rest have to substitute for that with money.

The 2 Manchester Clubs, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Villa, Forest, Chelsea, Leicester. That's 10 based on stature and History alone with as much history in Europe and their domestic leagues as Celtic or Rangers.

And it counts for nothing - ask Forest. Game left Scotland behind. And it's not alone on that front.