South Belfast North of Ireland Supporters Club

[T Fearon]

And you certainly haven't come close to eradicating sectarianism either, which is what is generally claimed.

I am gratified that my original post which was nothing more nor less than pointing out that the North of Ireland's most prominent supporters club is festooned with union/orange/loyalist regalia, and thus how can they continue with the ridiculous claim that they are not sectarian, has proved to be right

[dublinfella]

But according to North of Ireland supporters they are completely, utter,irrefutably,non sectarian, a claim which I insist is garbage. It is taken you umpteen pages, and insulting practically every other poster, to finally accept the point I was making is correct.

So if I go down the Gallowgate and find a flag flying in a pub thats sectarian, I can call all Cetic supporters bigots?

[lynchbhoy]

But according to North of Ireland supporters they are completely, utter,irrefutably,non sectarian, a claim which I insist is garbage. It is taken you umpteen pages, and insulting practically every other poster, to finally accept the point I was making is correct.

So if I go down the Gallowgate and find a flag flying in a pub thats sectarian, I can call all Cetic supporters bigots?

whats a Celtic sectarian flag look like?

plus thats a heck of a shift in the goalposts
from a political problem like the north of Ireland soccer side to a club side !
hardly like for like !

[dublinfella]

whats a Celtic sectarian flag look like?

plus thats a heck of a shift in the goalposts
from a political problem like the north of Ireland soccer side to a club side !
hardly like for like !

I'm asking is it a general rule that the decorations of a private supporters bar can be taken as a proxy for the association/team that they support.

[T Fearon]

In the context of the North of ireland yes, where flags are used to simply mark out territory. Now as i said before this would all be ok if the IFA and their supporters would openly admit that they are there to cater for unionists only, to show the world that this statelet must be a "country" because it has an international football team etc,instead of constantly bleating on about how they are non sectarian etc.

Celtic supporters generally use the Irish tricolour in homage to the club's founding fathers (who were practially all Irish) and the tricolour represents peace and equality between Orange and Green and in no objective manner is it sectarian. Celtic also had their players wearing poppies on their jersies last year against Motherwell incurring the wrath of many of their own fans, to prove their inclusivity and go the extra mile. It is when the IFA and its supporters show similar courage and magnanimity that they can expect to receive acknowledgement from me.

[nifan]

In the context of the North of ireland yes, where flags are used to simply mark out territory.

You state this, but then state that the tricolour is in no way sectarian. It is used by one section of the community, to mark out its territory, It is not flown in these cases to show "peace between the two"
I dont think the tricolour is sectarian, but its use often is - similar to the UJ and NI flag.

Your double standards are on display yet again though - also in the bit about the poppy. Any action or move taken by NI or the fans you belittle, yet fawn over a similar move by celtic.

[T Fearon]

Name me one piece of postive action the ifa or its fans have taken to widen the support base for their team.

Hnaging up Give Sectarianism the Boot banners doesn't count.

[dublinfella]

Name me one piece of postive action the ifa or its fans have taken to widen the support base for their team.

Hnaging up Give Sectarianism the Boot banners doesn't count.

Alienated you?

[give her dixie]

The fact that the IFA invited Israhell to play a friendly speaks volumes for their bigotry and racism.
Israhell is a murderous, racist aparthied state. Fact.
Now how can the IFA invite them for a friendly and at the same time shout about their
"Sport For All, and Give Racism The Red Card" ideals?

In my books, they are just as bad as Israhell for inviting them in the 1st place.
The IFA has once again shown their bigotry and racism.
Sport For All my hole....................... 

[T Fearon]

Even worse than that, a lot of North of Ireland supporters actively showed their support for the Israeli regime  by flying Israeli flags at the game.

I used to work with a nutter who siad in all honesty that he didn't know who to support in 1981 when the North of Ireland played Israel in a World Cup qualifier. Apparently he and many other unionists firmly believe they were descendants of a lost Israeli tribe, so as he said he didn't know whether to support his fellow countrymen or brothers.

[Chrisowc]

In the context of the North of ireland yes, where flags are used to simply mark out territory. Now as i said before this would all be ok if the IFA and their supporters would openly admit that they are there to cater for unionists only, to show the world that this statelet must be a "country" because it has an international football team etc,instead of constantly bleating on about how they are non sectarian etc.

Celtic supporters generally use the Irish tricolour in homage to the club's founding fathers (who were practially all Irish) and the tricolour represents peace and equality between Orange and Green and in no objective manner is it sectarian. Celtic also had their players wearing poppies on their jersies last year against Motherwell incurring the wrath of many of their own fans, to prove their inclusivity and go the extra mile. It is when the IFA and its supporters show similar courage and magnanimity that they can expect to receive acknowledgement from me.

Celtic supporters being left behind by the club Tony.  I'd worry about getting your own house in order first before lecturing others.

[Chrisowc]

The fact that the IFA invited Israhell to play a friendly speaks volumes for their bigotry and racism.
Israhell is a murderous, racist aparthied state. Fact.
Now how can the IFA invite them for a friendly and at the same time shout about their
"Sport For All, and Give Racism The Red Card" ideals?

In my books, they are just as bad as Israhell for inviting them in the 1st place.
The IFA has once again shown their bigotry and racism.
Sport For All my hole....................... 

The mask slips Dixie.  Are you calling the FAI bigoted and racisist because they have, in the past hosted this 'murderous, racist aparthied state?  Are you labelling every other Association for inviting Israel for a friendly international the same?

[give her dixie]

Chrisowc, given that Israhell have the worst human rights record of any country playing int. football,
I firmly believe that NO ONE should be playing them in a "friendly".
They are a murderous, racist, and apartied state who murder innocent children and women for fun.
They should be boycotted at all levels including arts, sports, commerce, etc,etc,etc.

They are worse than the apartied regime that once operated in South Africa.
Remember how the world boycotted South Africa at all levels?
When a state like Israhell refuses to allow the the national team of Palestine a chance to train, play
in competitive matches, refuse to allow footballs into Palestine, murder in cold blood their players,
bomb their soccer grounds, etc, etc, etc, then they shouldn't be invited anywhere......

Shame on the IFA for inviting the murderous state of Israhell to play in a "friendly"
Shame on them for their double standards of "Sport For All, and Give Racism The Red Card"
By inviting Israhell to play, they are supporting Racism and Bigotry.
The biggest joke on Wednesday night was seeing NI supporters in the green jersys, and waving Israhell flags!!!!
Where else in the world would you get it???
The IFA is a racist sectarian and bigoted organisation for inviting the murderous state of Israhell to play.
And the same goes for any other country for inviting them to play in a friendly.

[Roger]

What is wrong with a private members club being made of mainly of those from the loyalist community???  I'm proud to be a loyalist and there is nothing sectarian about it.  I think it is a bit strange for a NISC to be flying a Scottish flag though although I really don't give a shite about the SBNISC's bar as I have never been in it and they can legally fly the flags that they have.  If people don't like the flags or location or whatever then don't go in there.  I don't go in.  The SBNISC does not represent the IFA.  There is a Linfield NISC and a Glentoran NISC and they fly flags that represent those clubs and it doesn't stop supporters of say Portadown off from supporting NI.  These identity issues with private social clubs are up to them and Tony is being a bit precious about them and ridiculously feigning offense and then blowing the whole thing out of proportion because he simply doesn't like that there is a NI team and he is a raving bigot who obsessively spins propaganda against the IFA.  The SBNISC were clever enough to buy a run down shack of a dump in the 70s or 80s when you couldn't give away premises in that row of buildings due to the troubles and now these guys have a license and clubhouse in a very prominent location but they do not represent all NI supporters or the IFA.

[red hander]

There's nothing sectarian about being a loyalist? Er, explain...