Gerry Adams Late Late Show 'ambush'

[The Iceman]

Great display by Adams at the time though as some have said he is somewhat past his sell by date at this point.  That isn't to say that he has nothing to offer to politics in Ireland or that he shouldn't be applauded for his contributions throughout the past 30+ years

[pintsofguinness]

Very impressive by Adams alright. And I'd seen him in Trinity around the same time being equally good.

Makes it all the more amazing that Michael McDowell gave him such an ass whuppin on live TV before the last general election.

not really
adams is well able to debate and discuss the problems in the northern counties, but he has spent his life on these topics and not in the realm of southern politics that is more about the economy and work/business/health etc - and he doesnt have the experience , background or knowledge in this.
imo adams is past his sell by date by about 5 years at least. His old topics and spheres of knowledge are no longer day to day issues.
He needs to hand over the reigns of sf to someone with a better business mind. the north still has a long way to go to catch up in a business sense with the south and therefore sf would still need co-leaders, one for up there with one here and someone to be the figure head of their party.
they will only become strong when the reunification occurs.
However theres a good chance they will have merged with FF by then !
imo !

maybe so but who would you suggest?

[red hander]

'No they don't - they turn to people they think can fix a bad situation. Mussolini made the trains run on time, the Nazis dug Germany out of an economic hole, albeit by building up the country's armed forces. People don't just vote for a bunch of extremists because they're feeling a bit hacked off. My point was that voters down south chose to vote for the established parties, even though they have no great track record on the economy. That shows that the people in the republic have absolutely no faith in the Shinners to fix anything. You chose to drag the BNP into the conversation because you missed the point.'


The Italian people didn't 'turn to' Mussolini ... the Italian Fascist Party came to power in a coup d'etat in 1922 - namely The March on Rome.  Also, the German people didn't 'turn' to Hitler either.  In every election they contested in Germany more people voted against the Nazis than for them, they never achieved a majority, something Hitler always wanted ... when he saw it would never happen he introduced the Enabling Act to suspend democracy and instigate a dictatorship.  Also, Hitler didn't dig Germany out of an economic hole by building up the country's armed forces (a simplistic assumption indeed from the board's biggest simpleton).  Most historians agree Germany's economic woes were easing before 1933 and the economy was on the up.  Hitler arrived in time to take the credit.  He also introducied compulsory (badly-paid i.e cheap) work service for all citizens, he stopped paying any more reparations as ordered by the Versailles treaty and he seized the assets of persecuted Jews, which all aided the inevitable recovery...  your continued playing hard and loose with the facts is an education in how to tie oneself up in knots by talking complete and utter shit ... keep it up, it gives everybody a good laugh

[lynchbhoy]

No they don't - they turn to people they think can fix a bad situation. Mussolini made the trains run on time, the Nazis dug Germany out of an economic hole, albeit by building up the country's armed forces. People don't just vote for a bunch of extremists because they're feeling a bit hacked off. My point was that voters down south chose to vote for the established parties, even though they have no great track record on the economy. That shows that the people in the republic have absolutely no faith in the Shinners to fix anything. You chose to drag the BNP into the conversation because you missed the point.

I think you will find that they voted for th people tht created the better economy that spawned the celtic tiger, that FG had proven themslves useless prev and had a muppet of a leader that no  one wanted in the top position in the dail.
sf are a new party in the south and dont have a lot of verifiable experience so how could people vote for them but your point is not correct that people wouldnt vote for them because they are rubbish, they havent proven anything either way yet !
FF were the only option in the last election which is why they just about got back in
if fg get a new leader though they could win next time out

[lynchbhoy]

Very impressive by Adams alright. And I'd seen him in Trinity around the same time being equally good.

Makes it all the more amazing that Michael McDowell gave him such an ass whuppin on live TV before the last general election.

not really
adams is well able to debate and discuss the problems in the northern counties, but he has spent his life on these topics and not in the realm of southern politics that is more about the economy and work/business/health etc - and he doesnt have the experience , background or knowledge in this.
imo adams is past his sell by date by about 5 years at least. His old topics and spheres of knowledge are no longer day to day issues.
He needs to hand over the reigns of sf to someone with a better business mind. the north still has a long way to go to catch up in a business sense with the south and therefore sf would still need co-leaders, one for up there with one here and someone to be the figure head of their party.
they will only become strong when the reunification occurs.
However theres a good chance they will have merged with FF by then !
imo !

maybe so but who would you suggest?

dont know Pog
dont really care either


its far easier taking pot shots from the sideline and not having to come up with a solution though !

[pintsofguinness]

Very impressive by Adams alright. And I'd seen him in Trinity around the same time being equally good.

Makes it all the more amazing that Michael McDowell gave him such an ass whuppin on live TV before the last general election.

not really
adams is well able to debate and discuss the problems in the northern counties, but he has spent his life on these topics and not in the realm of southern politics that is more about the economy and work/business/health etc - and he doesnt have the experience , background or knowledge in this.
imo adams is past his sell by date by about 5 years at least. His old topics and spheres of knowledge are no longer day to day issues.
He needs to hand over the reigns of sf to someone with a better business mind. the north still has a long way to go to catch up in a business sense with the south and therefore sf would still need co-leaders, one for up there with one here and someone to be the figure head of their party.
they will only become strong when the reunification occurs.
However theres a good chance they will have merged with FF by then !
imo !

maybe so but who would you suggest?

dont know Pog
dont really care either


its far easier taking pot shots from the sideline and not having to come up with a solution though !

Yeah that's what I was thinking, outside of Adams and McGuinness I don't see who they could put in as leader.

[Rav67]

Very impressive by Adams alright. And I'd seen him in Trinity around the same time being equally good.

Makes it all the more amazing that Michael McDowell gave him such an ass whuppin on live TV before the last general election.

not really
adams is well able to debate and discuss the problems in the northern counties, but he has spent his life on these topics and not in the realm of southern politics that is more about the economy and work/business/health etc - and he doesnt have the experience , background or knowledge in this.
imo adams is past his sell by date by about 5 years at least. His old topics and spheres of knowledge are no longer day to day issues.
He needs to hand over the reigns of sf to someone with a better business mind. the north still has a long way to go to catch up in a business sense with the south and therefore sf would still need co-leaders, one for up there with one here and someone to be the figure head of their party.
they will only become strong when the reunification occurs.
However theres a good chance they will have merged with FF by then !
imo !

maybe so but who would you suggest?

dont know Pog
dont really care either


its far easier taking pot shots from the sideline and not having to come up with a solution though !

Yeah that's what I was thinking, outside of Adams and McGuinness I don't see who they could put in as leader.

A few years ago it was thought Mary Lou McDonald would be a possibility but her star's dimmed since losing the European seat.  Its been ages since I read a Dublin paper so I don't know if she has a high profile any more.  Obviously she'd need to get elected somewhere first though I would say!

[Maguire01]

Not just get elected, but secure a 'safe' seat.

[Gaffer]

Very impressive by Adams alright. And I'd seen him in Trinity around the same time being equally good.

Makes it all the more amazing that Michael McDowell gave him such an ass whuppin on live TV before the last general election.

not really
adams is well able to debate and discuss the problems in the northern counties, but he has spent his life on these topics and not in the realm of southern politics that is more about the economy and work/business/health etc - and he doesnt have the experience , background or knowledge in this.
imo adams is past his sell by date by about 5 years at least. His old topics and spheres of knowledge are no longer day to day issues.
He needs to hand over the reigns of sf to someone with a better business mind. the north still has a long way to go to catch up in a business sense with the south and therefore sf would still need co-leaders, one for up there with one here and someone to be the figure head of their party.
they will only become strong when the reunification occurs.
However theres a good chance they will have merged with FF by then !
imo !

maybe so but who would you suggest?

dont know Pog
dont really care either


its far easier taking pot shots from the sideline and not having to come up with a solution though !

Yeah that's what I was thinking, outside of Adams and McGuinness I don't see who they could put in as leader.

Conor Murphy

[Hardy]

Derek Warfield.

[Myles Na G.]

Also, the German people didn't 'turn' to Hitler either.  In every election they contested in Germany more people voted against the Nazis than for them, they never achieved a majority, something Hitler always wanted ...

That's the way democracy often works in a first past the post system. Let's put it a different way for the terminally slow of thought - more German people turned to Hitler than turned to any other political leader.  As for Mussolini - did he carry out his coup d'etat single handed? Don't think he did, though you can check that on Wiki and get back to me. In fact, Mussolini enjoyed popular support amongst the people of Italy who were looking for someone to establish stability and order in their country.

Have you contacted the mods yet? 

[deiseach]

That's the way democracy often works in a first past the post system. Let's put it a different way for the terminally slow of thought - more German people turned to Hitler than turned to any other political leader.  As for Mussolini - did he carry out his coup d'etat single handed? Don't think he did, though you can check that on Wiki and get back to me. In fact, Mussolini enjoyed popular support amongst the people of Italy who were looking for someone to establish stability and order in their country.

They didn't have a first-past-the-post system in Germany, they used PR.

The Reichstag was the main legislative body under the Weimar constitution. Members of the Reichstag were elected using a system of Proportional Representation based on Universal Suffrage for all adults aged 20 or older. This system worked as follows. Germany was divided into electoral regions. Within each of these regions a political party would put forward a number of candidates. The number of these who became deputies within the Reichstag was based on the total number of votes the party received within that electoral region. One member could be sent for every 60,000 votes cast for the party.

[red hander]

 

Yep, playing fast and loose with the facts as always

[Myles Na G.]

In the 1932 election, Hitler's party took 37% of the vote. Is anybody on here disputing that figure? Is anyone on here disputing that this share of the vote gave Hitler the right to take power?

In your own time...

[Franko]

Also, the German people didn't 'turn' to Hitler either.  In every election they contested in Germany more people voted against the Nazis than for them, they never achieved a majority, something Hitler always wanted ...

That's the way democracy often works in a first past the post system. Let's put it a different way for the terminally slow of thought - more German people turned to Hitler than turned to any other political leader.  As for Mussolini - did he carry out his coup d'etat single handed? Don't think he did, though you can check that on Wiki and get back to me. In fact, Mussolini enjoyed popular support amongst the people of Italy who were looking for someone to establish stability and order in their country.

Have you contacted the mods yet? 

So let me get this straight...

The Italian people began to support a more extreme leader/party when times were difficult?  Hmmmm, sounds familiar...

One of the basic features of democracy Myles is that more extreme parties prosper in difficult socio-economic times.  This is a FACT.