Racist attacks in Belfast

[nifan]

Sorry but quoting 2 reports which are 8 and 6 years old respectively proves nothing.  The reason I asked is West Belfast has 3,500 Filipinos living in it, Brannigans pub in the Tunnel in Portadown has been long since nicknamed 'the Portuguese embassy', there are countless examples of foreign nationals being able to integrate into Catholic communities without too much bother - admittedly there are neanderthals in both communities but to say that there are more attacks occuring in Protestant communities because there are more foreign nationalis living in them is utter rubbish.  Maybe it's because they are perceived as Catholics that they are being attacked ?

I didnt mean to imply the documents did prove what I am saying, i just found the breakdowns of the time interesting, thoguh out of date.

At the time it was the conflict resolution centre that made the claim that there where more living in protestant areas, and that this had a major effect.
This of course could have changed over time.

Do you have any more recent figures giving that at the last census there where only 800 odd imigrants living in west belfast, but now there are 3500 fillipinos there?
I knew there where a fair portion of filipino nurses coming over, but didnt realise it was near this volume.

[nifan]

PS the document i found with more recent figures

http://www.conflictresearch.org.uk/cms/images/stories/New%20Migrants%20and%20Belfast.doc

By 2006 there where 395 filipinos officially registered as living in belfast


Also, though not really a scientific breakdown, during this period more than half of all national insurance number applications from immigrants was made in shaftsbury sq, south belfast.

from the document
"It is interesting to note that these figures for NINo applications reflects the earlier patterns of residence that were identified in the 2001 Census data, that the largest proportions of migrants are focused on the south and east of the city, with relatively smaller numbers associated with the north and west parts of Belfast. "

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

PS the document i found with more recent figures

http://www.conflictresearch.org.uk/cms/images/stories/New%20Migrants%20and%20Belfast.doc

By 2006 there where 395 filipinos officially registered as living in belfast


Also, though not really a scientific breakdown, during this period more than half of all national insurance number applications from immigrants was made in shaftsbury sq, south belfast.

from the document
"It is interesting to note that these figures for NINo applications reflects the earlier patterns of residence that were identified in the 2001 Census data, that the largest proportions of migrants are focused on the south and east of the city, with relatively smaller numbers associated with the north and west parts of Belfast. "

Would immigrants living in the student areas eg Botanic, Malone, Holylands not also register in Shatesbury Square? Is there somewhere closer?

[Donagh]

There are 30,000 from 'A8' EU Accession countries so I expect the total number is much higher:

http://www.nisra.gov.uk/archive/demography/population/migration/EstimatedA8Pop_2007.pdf

[ardmhachaabu]

PS the document i found with more recent figures

http://www.conflictresearch.org.uk/cms/images/stories/New%20Migrants%20and%20Belfast.doc

By 2006 there where 395 filipinos officially registered as living in belfast


Also, though not really a scientific breakdown, during this period more than half of all national insurance number applications from immigrants was made in shaftsbury sq, south belfast.

from the document
"It is interesting to note that these figures for NINo applications reflects the earlier patterns of residence that were identified in the 2001 Census data, that the largest proportions of migrants are focused on the south and east of the city, with relatively smaller numbers associated with the north and west parts of Belfast. "

I don't have anything to point to regarding the number of Filipinos as it was a conversation I had with a community worker who indicated that figure I quoted.  AFAIK that research hasn't been published yet.  Doctors registrations would give a much more accurate picture as non-EU nationals have to apply to somewhere in England to get a national insurance number.  I think that Donagh's link indicates this.

I may be wrong, I have only done my sums very roughly from the figures that were in the pdf Donagh linked to but it seems that there are as many foreign nationals in Catholic and Protestant communities - that prompts me to ask the question again I asked earlier and didn't get an answer to.

Maybe it's because they are perceived as being Catholics that they are being attacked ?

[Minder]

i was talking to a fella today that is going with an Indian girl and he says when she is in the vicinity of the persecuted Roman gypsies on the Lisburn Road she is racially abused on a fairly regular basis by them. Peculiar.

[Chrisowc]

i was talking to a fella today that is going with an Indian girl and he says when she is in the vicinity of the persecuted Roman gypsies on the Lisburn Road she is racially abused on a fairly regular basis by them. Peculiar.

White Europeans are not the sole perpetrators of Racism.

[Tony Baloney]

PS the document i found with more recent figures

http://www.conflictresearch.org.uk/cms/images/stories/New%20Migrants%20and%20Belfast.doc

By 2006 there where 395 filipinos officially registered as living in belfast


Also, though not really a scientific breakdown, during this period more than half of all national insurance number applications from immigrants was made in shaftsbury sq, south belfast.

from the document
"It is interesting to note that these figures for NINo applications reflects the earlier patterns of residence that were identified in the 2001 Census data, that the largest proportions of migrants are focused on the south and east of the city, with relatively smaller numbers associated with the north and west parts of Belfast. "

I don't have anything to point to regarding the number of Filipinos as it was a conversation I had with a community worker who indicated that figure I quoted.  AFAIK that research hasn't been published yet.  Doctors registrations would give a much more accurate picture as non-EU nationals have to apply to somewhere in England to get a national insurance number.  I think that Donagh's link indicates this.

I may be wrong, I have only done my sums very roughly from the figures that were in the pdf Donagh linked to but it seems that there are as many foreign nationals in Catholic and Protestant communities - that prompts me to ask the question again I asked earlier and didn't get an answer to.

Maybe it's because they are perceived as being Catholics that they are being attacked ?

No. All races, colours and creeds are subject to racism in Ireland and if you want to be specific, in south Belfast. Why do you keep trying to make this something it obviously isn't? Obviously a Catholic, black homosexual would be the mother lode but anyone different is a target for these ballbags.

I know people who lived in these areas who respectively were called "a speccy cnut" for having the temerity to wear glasses, "a hippy bawstard" for having hair more than an inch in length and one mate was called "a snabby cnut" for walking up the street from the shop whilst reading the back page of The Times.

[Tony Baloney]

PS the document i found with more recent figures

http://www.conflictresearch.org.uk/cms/images/stories/New%20Migrants%20and%20Belfast.doc

By 2006 there where 395 filipinos officially registered as living in belfast


Also, though not really a scientific breakdown, during this period more than half of all national insurance number applications from immigrants was made in shaftsbury sq, south belfast.

from the document
"It is interesting to note that these figures for NINo applications reflects the earlier patterns of residence that were identified in the 2001 Census data, that the largest proportions of migrants are focused on the south and east of the city, with relatively smaller numbers associated with the north and west parts of Belfast. "

I don't have anything to point to regarding the number of Filipinos as it was a conversation I had with a community worker who indicated that figure I quoted.  AFAIK that research hasn't been published yet.  Doctors registrations would give a much more accurate picture as non-EU nationals have to apply to somewhere in England to get a national insurance number.  I think that Donagh's link indicates this.

I may be wrong, I have only done my sums very roughly from the figures that were in the pdf Donagh linked to but it seems that there are as many foreign nationals in Catholic and Protestant communities - that prompts me to ask the question again I asked earlier and didn't get an answer to.

Maybe it's because they are perceived as being Catholics that they are being attacked ?

No. All races, colours and creeds are subject to racism in Ireland and if you want to be specific, in south Belfast. Why do you keep trying to make this something it obviously isn't? Obviously a Catholic, black homosexual would be the mother lode but anyone different is a target for these ballbags.

I know people who lived in these areas who respectively were called "a speccy cnut" for having the temerity to wear glasses, "a hippy bawstard" for having hair more than an inch in length and one mate was called "a snabby cnut" for walking up the street from the shop whilst reading the back page of The Times.

[ardmhachaabu]

PS the document i found with more recent figures

http://www.conflictresearch.org.uk/cms/images/stories/New%20Migrants%20and%20Belfast.doc

By 2006 there where 395 filipinos officially registered as living in belfast


Also, though not really a scientific breakdown, during this period more than half of all national insurance number applications from immigrants was made in shaftsbury sq, south belfast.

from the document
"It is interesting to note that these figures for NINo applications reflects the earlier patterns of residence that were identified in the 2001 Census data, that the largest proportions of migrants are focused on the south and east of the city, with relatively smaller numbers associated with the north and west parts of Belfast. "

I don't have anything to point to regarding the number of Filipinos as it was a conversation I had with a community worker who indicated that figure I quoted.  AFAIK that research hasn't been published yet.  Doctors registrations would give a much more accurate picture as non-EU nationals have to apply to somewhere in England to get a national insurance number.  I think that Donagh's link indicates this.

I may be wrong, I have only done my sums very roughly from the figures that were in the pdf Donagh linked to but it seems that there are as many foreign nationals in Catholic and Protestant communities - that prompts me to ask the question again I asked earlier and didn't get an answer to.

Maybe it's because they are perceived as being Catholics that they are being attacked ?

No. All races, colours and creeds are subject to racism in Ireland and if you want to be specific, in south Belfast. Why do you keep trying to make this something it obviously isn't? Obviously a Catholic, black homosexual would be the mother lode but anyone different is a target for these ballbags.

I know people who lived in these areas who respectively were called "a speccy cnut" for having the temerity to wear glasses, "a hippy bawstard" for having hair more than an inch in length and one mate was called "a snabby cnut" for walking up the street from the shop whilst reading the back page of The Times.

Tony, who are 'these ballbags' ?

[nifan]

Maybe it's because they are perceived as being Catholics that they are being attacked ?

Maybe, but there have been problems for chinese and south africans there in recent years.
Not to say these boyos arent sectarian too, but i dont think the perceived (if incorrect) religion is necessarily the major driver - in the same way it was irrelevant when they are the subject of racism in dublin for example.

[ziggysego]

This is the worst Daily Mail poll ever. Though not directly about the racism in Belfast, I think it suits this thread rather than starting a new one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/polls/poll.html?pollId=1011506

People are voting YES to skew the results.

[Main Street]

Are you a Daily Mail reader Ziggy?

Is it worse than 
should prince charles keep his opinions to himself?
or
which one of the big brother housemates do you find more irritating?

[Chrisowc]

Are you a Daily Mail reader Ziggy?

Is it worse than 
should prince charles keep his opinions to himself?
or
which one of the big brother housemates do you find more irritating?

I like these

Can Andy Murray win Wimbledon?

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Looking forward to.....If Andy Murray doesn't wiin Wimbledon, who will?

The opportunities are endless.

The follow up to Ziggy's will be - Should gypsies be allowed to use the NHS?

[ziggysego]

Are you a Daily Mail reader Ziggy?

Good God no, I'm not a Daily Mail reader