Racist attacks in Belfast

[Orior]

You must not be paying attention orior, as it has certainly happened, and lets not forget many many attacks will go under the radar. Im sure if you where really inclined you could find some.

It is as has been said more prevelant in loyalist ares for the reasons sketched out above - partly due to the larger numbers living in the protestant areas, and also due to some of the scummy links some groups have with c18 etc.

Hmmm, so it happens everywhere, but is more prevalent in loyalist areas. Well, at least you admit so, unlike the rest of our wee country.

[mountainboii]

Without getting into the row about religion, but it seems to be a consistent news item of racist attacks in protestant areas of Belfast whether it be on Chinese, Polish or now Romanian.  I for one condemn the attacks, no place for them.  I saw first hand the effect it hand on a neighbour of mine who was Polish and had paint bombs thrown at his apartment and car a few months back in a loyalist area of Lurgan.  He had done nothing wrong and was so frightened after it, it brought home the fear these attacks (by more than likely a 15 year old hood) can impress on an individual and it was not nice.  He was simply targeted because he had a Polish Satellite dish, and the brainiacs who perpetrated the attack did the same a week later and even a few months later when he had moved (this time putting windows through – his apartment was a ground floor one).  These attacks on my neighbour were away before the Poland and N.Ireland games too so I bear to think what would have happened to him if he had still been living there at that time.  I haven't heard much more about the attacks since the news this morning, but how did a 100 odd Romanians get removed at once – were they living in one house?  Was there a co-ordinated attack on all the Romanians in the area or was it simply a co-ordinated attack on a street which is all Romanian?  It just seems strange that 115 were removed in one go, I find it hard to believe that these were all attacked.  

There can be anywhere from 20 to 30 living in one house, you should see the numbers of kids there can be hanging out on one street. They also tend to live in houses next door to each other, because houses next door to Romanians tend to be more available. So I wouldn't imagine it'd be too difficult for a bunch of hoods to stone and brick a row of 6 or 7 houses next to each other in one short attack.

[ardmhachaabu]

From a report (back in 2002) about racism in belfast:

"This may be a reflection of racist attitudes but more likely it reflects the fact that housing is more readily available in Protestant working class areas than in Catholic working class areas."

The indication would be there are more minorities in the protestant areas, and therefore statistically greater chances of attack.

the combat 18 element cant be ignored either.

Hmm, care to back that up with evidence?

[stew]

There is no doubt that the unionist/loyalist community have their hands dirty here, moreso than the nationalist community. The vast majority of racist attacks stem from pro union portions of the north. This might have something to do with the fact that there is a sizeable amount of catholics in Romania and the largest Church I believe is Orthodox which has Catholic ties.

The fenians dont exactly cover themselves with glory either, they are the one's shooting cops again and some of them are trying to open old wounds and want to go back to the bad old days. Every one of these scumbags should be jailed no matter their affiliation and just as I am sure some racists are norn iron fans I am sure that for example that sc**bag shinner who was intelligent to fall off the roof of an Orange lodge he was trying to set on fire is a republic supporter. I still dont see the connection, it is a stretch to go from racist sc**bag to norn iron supporter, they cant all be lads.

[nifan]

From a report (back in 2002) about racism in belfast:

"This may be a reflection of racist attitudes but more likely it reflects the fact that housing is more readily available in Protestant working class areas than in Catholic working class areas."

The indication would be there are more minorities in the protestant areas, and therefore statistically greater chances of attack.

the combat 18 element cant be ignored either.

Hmm, care to back that up with evidence?

The report i mentioned the quote from was by the institute for conflict research.
Cant find the source material at the moment, but ive no reason to doubt it, and it would back what ive read elsewhere. Ill try and source it later if you think it sounds wrong.

[ardmhachaabu]

From a report (back in 2002) about racism in belfast:

"This may be a reflection of racist attitudes but more likely it reflects the fact that housing is more readily available in Protestant working class areas than in Catholic working class areas."

The indication would be there are more minorities in the protestant areas, and therefore statistically greater chances of attack.

the combat 18 element cant be ignored either.

Hmm, care to back that up with evidence?

The report i mentioned the quote from was by the institute for conflict research.
Cant find the source material at the moment, but ive no reason to doubt it, and it would back what ive read elsewhere. Ill try and source it later if you think it sounds wrong.

Please do that.

[mountainboii]

There is no doubt that the unionist/loyalist community have their hands dirty here, moreso than the nationalist community. The vast majority of racist attacks stem from pro union portions of the north. This might have something to do with the fact that there is a sizeable amount of catholics in Romania and the largest Church I believe is Orthodox which has Catholic ties.

I'd be extremely surprised if the wankers attacking these people were intelligent enough to research the religious background of the Roma, which is mixed anyway.

[Tony Baloney]

There is no doubt that the unionist/loyalist community have their hands dirty here, moreso than the nationalist community. The vast majority of racist attacks stem from pro union portions of the north. This might have something to do with the fact that there is a sizeable amount of catholics in Romania and the largest Church I believe is Orthodox which has Catholic ties.

I'd be extremely surprised if the w**kers attacking these people were intelligent enough to research the religious background of the Roma, which is mixed anyway.

I would agree. I think the fact that they are different is enough. The difference is irrelevant to these lowlifes.

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Without getting into the row about religion, but it seems to be a consistent news item of racist attacks in protestant areas of Belfast whether it be on Chinese, Polish or now Romanian.  I for one condemn the attacks, no place for them.  I saw first hand the effect it hand on a neighbour of mine who was Polish and had paint bombs thrown at his apartment and car a few months back in a loyalist area of Lurgan.  He had done nothing wrong and was so frightened after it, it brought home the fear these attacks (by more than likely a 15 year old hood) can impress on an individual and it was not nice.  He was simply targeted because he had a Polish Satellite dish, and the brainiacs who perpetrated the attack did the same a week later and even a few months later when he had moved (this time putting windows through – his apartment was a ground floor one).  These attacks on my neighbour were away before the Poland and N.Ireland games too so I bear to think what would have happened to him if he had still been living there at that time.  I haven't heard much more about the attacks since the news this morning, but how did a 100 odd Romanians get removed at once – were they living in one house?  Was there a co-ordinated attack on all the Romanians in the area or was it simply a co-ordinated attack on a street which is all Romanian?  It just seems strange that 115 were removed in one go, I find it hard to believe that these were all attacked.  

There can be anywhere from 20 to 30 living in one house, you should see the numbers of kids there can be hanging out on one street. They also tend to live in houses next door to each other, because houses next door to Romanians tend to be more available. So I wouldn't imagine it'd be too difficult for a bunch of hoods to stone and brick a row of 6 or 7 houses next to each other in one short attack.

That was my exprience in the Botanic Area - useta seem to be huge amounts of people living in one house. Useta see them hooking through bins all the time though. Sad existence.

[Maguire01]

Poor romanians, if they are roma - then they are hated by the romanians too !

True. I heard a man phone in on Talkback today when I was in the car. His wife is Romanian and he said his wife and her family back in Romania are disgusted by these people because they are gypsies, aren't over here to work at all and give Romanians a bad name.

[Minder]

Without getting into the row about religion, but it seems to be a consistent news item of racist attacks in protestant areas of Belfast whether it be on Chinese, Polish or now Romanian.  I for one condemn the attacks, no place for them.  I saw first hand the effect it hand on a neighbour of mine who was Polish and had paint bombs thrown at his apartment and car a few months back in a loyalist area of Lurgan.  He had done nothing wrong and was so frightened after it, it brought home the fear these attacks (by more than likely a 15 year old hood) can impress on an individual and it was not nice.  He was simply targeted because he had a Polish Satellite dish, and the brainiacs who perpetrated the attack did the same a week later and even a few months later when he had moved (this time putting windows through  his apartment was a ground floor one).  These attacks on my neighbour were away before the Poland and N.Ireland games too so I bear to think what would have happened to him if he had still been living there at that time.  I havent heard much more about the attacks since the news this morning, but how did a 100 odd Romanians get removed at once  were they living in one house?  Was there a co-ordinated attack on all the Romanians in the area or was it simply a co-ordinated attack on a street which is all Romanian?  It just seems strange that 115 were removed in one go, I find it hard to believe that these were all attacked.  

There can be anywhere from 20 to 30 living in one house, you should see the numbers of kids there can be hanging out on one street. They also tend to live in houses next door to each other, because houses next door to Romanians tend to be more available. So I wouldn't imagine it'd be too difficult for a bunch of hoods to stone and brick a row of 6 or 7 houses next to each other in one short attack.

That was my exprience in the Botanic Area - useta seem to be huge amounts of people living in one house. Useta see them hooking through bins all the time though. Sad existence.

Why the need to bring Tyrone people into the discussion?

[Bogball XV]

Am I right in thinking that these people are Roma?

[Minder]

Am I right in thinking that these people are Roma?

You are.

[Bogball XV]

Am I right in thinking that these people are Roma?

You are.

thought so, they're always treated well down south you know, them prods in belfast is a disgrace.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0718/roma.html

A family of Roma who are encamped at the M50 roundabout in Ballymun have been subjected to racist attacks and slurs.

Sara Russell, the Roma co-ordinator with Pavee Point, told a news conference in Dublin this morning that eggs had been thrown and abuse shouted at the Rostas family late at night.

She also said that health officials in Ballymun had written about their concerns of an outbreak of an infectious disease at the camp.

AdvertisementMore than 50 Roma adults and children have been living in what Pavee Point describes as horrific conditions for nearly two months.

A coalition of charity organisations has called for urgent action to address what it is describing as an humanitarian crisis.

[nifan]

From a report (back in 2002) about racism in belfast:

"This may be a reflection of racist attitudes but more likely it reflects the fact that housing is more readily available in Protestant working class areas than in Catholic working class areas."

The indication would be there are more minorities in the protestant areas, and therefore statistically greater chances of attack.

the combat 18 element cant be ignored either.

Hmm, care to back that up with evidence?

The report i mentioned the quote from was by the institute for conflict research.
Cant find the source material at the moment, but ive no reason to doubt it, and it would back what ive read elsewhere. Ill try and source it later if you think it sounds wrong.

Please do that.

Havent located the original report, but the quote above is a quote taken from a bbc article on the report.

Looking round saw some interesting breakdowns:

This pdf shows the breakdown of minorities across NI.
South belfast area is notably highest (due to the university), though it doesnt break down further
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/schools/11_16/citizenship/pdfs/ctz_eth_pg02_tn.pdf

And this has a lot of information on where race crimes where reported, again unsurprisingly with its relatively large% of minorities south belfast comes out on "top"
http://www.conflictresearch.org.uk/documents/racial.pdf