Racist attacks in Belfast

[longrunsthefox]

What? His law degree? I don't give a shit about that.

My point was that this is not a "drunken mistake" and that his "pint", had feck all to do with it. This was an act of a sc**bag.

Who knows why he did it (if proven - yawn), and of course it was the act of a sc**bag, no disagreement  there. Just accept the statement in the context it was said.
It's not condoning anything nor excusing anything. If he was a trainee spark and this would have affected his career then it would still have been a "costly pint (action)".
It's probably safe to assume that drink was taken - as these cowards rarely operate with out dutch courage. Again not an excuse - getting a bit tired having to qualify each point btw.

Here we go- I dont get why you have a problem saying ..if proven. he has only been arrested and in this country of all places have we not learnt by now that certainly is not neccesarily mean he is guilty? Maybe he is tho... maybe not.  and before anyone says MJ there was  a bit more than an arrest leads me to be sure of his guilt..

Actually read my posts I have no problem saying it.

Then why do you write, 'if proven-yawn'...  wat's the yawn about?... if proven...end of story

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Yawn because at that stage I had said if proven numerous times, and I was tired as well. 

[Tony Baloney]

HS I've already called the perpetrators of the disgust crime scumbags (not sure how much more I can show my abhorrence at this terrible crime), also you seem to have taken umbrage at my remark about "costly pint" - your getting sidetracked whether intentionally or not.

These people are animals who have attacked a place of worship - end of.

As for your final remark, I would like to think I'm generally balanced in most of my views. I was not saying drink was an excuse, only that imo drink was probably taken, just like in your opinion the lad is guilty already.

Why mention drink so?

Jesus read my first post on this this yesterday!

I said "costly pint" at the f**king end of the post as an observation that the fellas chosen career path is now probably fucked - could you not read any f**king more into this then that please and get back to discussing the topic at hand!

Christ are youse trying to wind me up?

How do you know it was a pint? He could have been drinking spirits or alcopops.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

How do you know it was a pint? He could have been drinking spirits or alcopops.

Probably Champagne! 

[Maguire01]

HS I've already called the perpetrators of the disgust crime scumbags (not sure how much more I can show my abhorrence at this terrible crime), also you seem to have taken umbrage at my remark about "costly pint" - your getting sidetracked whether intentionally or not.

These people are animals who have attacked a place of worship - end of.

As for your final remark, I would like to think I'm generally balanced in most of my views. I was not saying drink was an excuse, only that imo drink was probably taken, just like in your opinion the lad is guilty already.

Why mention drink so?

Drink doesn't absolve someone from responsibility for their actions. If this guy did this, regardless of whether he was hammered or sober, he's responsible for his actions.

But to be fair to GDA, that doesn't mean that you have to ignore that drink may well have been involved. Many people do things when they're drunk that they'd never do when sober - in that respect, it's easy to understand the idea of a 'costly pint' . It doesn't make it okay, nor does it make a perpetrator any less guilty - but I don't think anyone is saying that it does.

[Donagh]

In fairness to the BBC the da is a pretty prominent QC and former politician so they're probably fair game. Though I'm probably biased in that I can't say I've much respect for those who took silk before McDonald and Tracey got the oath abolished, but then again I suppose Stoopers have no problems swearing oaths to foreign monarchs. 

[Trevor Hill]

And Shinners dont get elected to her majestys parliaments at either Westminster or Stormont? Catch a grip of yourself.

[ardmhachaabu]

And Shinners dont get elected to her majestys parliaments at either Westminster or Stormont? Catch a grip of yourself.

They don't take oaths of allegiance as they don't take their seats in Westminster, in Stormont they don't have to take an oath of allegiance

[Maguire01]

And Shinners dont get elected to her majestys parliaments at either Westminster or Stormont? Catch a grip of yourself.

They don't take oaths of allegiance as they don't take their seats in Westminster, in Stormont they don't have to take an oath of allegiance

It's no more than a point of principle though - the oath at Westminster is nothing more than words.

[ardmhachaabu]

And Shinners dont get elected to her majestys parliaments at either Westminster or Stormont? Catch a grip of yourself.

They don't take oaths of allegiance as they don't take their seats in Westminster, in Stormont they don't have to take an oath of allegiance

It's no more than a point of principle though - the oath at Westminster is nothing more than words.

You just never seem to get it.

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

Why do you not understand that?  It is a genuine question.

[Trevor Hill]

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

And governing Northern Ireland from a cosy office in Stormont is who's "raison d`etre" exactly?

[Maguire01]

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

And governing Northern Ireland from a cosy office in Stormont is who's "raison d`etre" exactly?

Exactly.

[longrunsthefox]

Did Bernadette Devlin-McAliskey take the oath away back when... can't really question her republican creditials all the same.

[ardmhachaabu]

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

And governing Northern Ireland from a cosy office in Stormont is who's "raison d`etre" exactly?

The electorates'

Shame on them, eh? 

[Minder]

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

And governing Northern Ireland from a cosy office in Stormont is who's "raison d`etre" exactly?

The electorates'

Shame on them, eh? 

Are they there against their will?