Ulster Semifinal- Derry v Tyrone 21/6/09 Casement Park

[Bensars]

Kickout Breakdown from Irish news stats box


Derry Kickouts

Derry 8  Tyrone 7 Breaks won
Derry 5  Tyrone 7   Clean catches

Tyrone Kickouts

Derry 6  Tyrone 2   Breaks won
Derry 2  Tyrone 5   Clean catches


So overall exactly 50/ 50    ( 21 each)

[Archie Mitchell]

Was just about to post them stats.

Also

How the ball was won to produce a score.

Derry

Counter Attacks - 57%
Kickouts - 43%

Tyrone

Counter Attacks - 13%
Kickouts - 87%

Tyrone made better usage of the ball when they won it in midfield.

[JMohan]

I think that kinda shows that Derry did well and Midfield and Hub and Co used the ball better - but Diver and Co. won as much ball as they could have - but the failure was what they did with it.

Again ... where are the half forward line, what is the plan to get it into the FF line and Paddy ... all these are legitimate questions.
It may also diminish the percieved reliance and influence of Doherty too (God forbid someone suggest that!). Diver did well without him. I know Doherty would have done other things ... but it just shows you how good Diver was the last day.

It might also highlight a potential weakness for Tyrone in the future ... If that was the amount of ball a poor Derry team won - what could a better midfield do to them?

What was the wides/score Stats?

[screenmachine]

The fact that Paddy had 2/3 men around him most of the time and that Seamus Bradley was 1-1 numerous times with PJ Quinn yet the ball was still kicked in towards Paddy shows me that the Derry players are still in the 'pass it to Paddy' mode.  Derry's been doin this for the last 4/5 years and until they start using other forwards, quality teams will snuff out this threat and turn over the ball time and time again.  Counter-attack. Score. Derry beat again.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

It might also highlight a potential weakness for Tyrone in the future ... If that was the amount of ball a poor Derry team won - what could a better midfield do to them?

As Dublin, Mayo and Kerry did last year?  

We don't usually depend on midfield for the winning of a game, and this year should be no different.

[Estimator]

Regarding McKaigue - He always shows a keeness for the ball, but a couple of times in the second half, he seemed to be the wrong man in the right position.  I mean that he received a pass that if either of the three Bradleys had received they may have shown more composure and actually got a score from it.

Another noticeable point from the game, was the amount of times the Derry players turned inside to their stronger foot and slowed everything down, whereas certain Tyrone players had the confidence to take the defender on with their weaker foot, to get passed the defender or draw the free - something that Jordan excels at.

[tyronefan]

mid field is not one of tyrone's strong points and probably showed how bad derry were when it looked like Tyrone were the better in the mid field

Tyrone would be stronger at turning  the ball over in the middle and getting it to the forwards

[Estimator]

The fact that Paddy had 2/3 men around him most of the time and that Seamus Bradley was 1-1 numerous times with PJ Quinn yet the ball was still kicked in towards Paddy shows me that the Derry players are still in the 'pass it to Paddy' mode.  Derry's been doin this for the last 4/5 years and until they start using other forwards, quality teams will snuff out this threat and turn over the ball time and time again.  Counter-attack. Score. Derry beat again.

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about O'Neill and Cavanagh being well shackled by the Derry defence, that meant that the Tyrone players looked for players like Penrose instead - why Derry players failed to do the same I don't know

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

It might also highlight a potential weakness for Tyrone in the future ... If that was the amount of ball a poor Derry team won - what could a better midfield do to them?

Wouldnt think so, its not as if winning midfield has been the key to Tyrone's success over the past few years.

[SidelineKick]

Just watched the game there again. A few things after viewing it for a second time:

1) A few posters on here said how well Jordan played, this baffles me.  Jordan is a class player but he was anonymous on Sunday.
2) Its a credit to the Derry defenders that kept O'Neill and Cavanagh so quiet, the rest should have realised their own men were as dangerous, Tyrone have 14 men that can score and I dare say give the ball to Devine he'd have a decent pop at it!
3) There's a couple of boys can consider themselves lucky at staying on the field, one from each team that I noticed. Penrose swung a box at Diver at 1:44:19 (BBC Iplayer) and Skinner caught X? in a late tackle then seemed to try and stamp on him! Very stupid.
4) Undecided about the Dooher incident, anyone any clear (unbiased) reports as to what actually happened?
5) Tyrone's bench didn't win it but it certainly made sure they kept their lead, great additions from the subs.
6) Derry didnt have the firing power on the bench or on the field for that matter.
7) Booo.

edit: How does Colm Cavanagh keep getting so much game time? Although if I remember correctly he went off when Dooher came back on and never got back on again? Perhaps he was just handy (warming up) when Dooher got split?

[Archie Mitchell]

2) Its a credit to the Derry defenders that kept O'Neill and Cavanagh so quiet, the rest should have realised their own men were as dangerous, Tyrone have 14 men that can score and I dare say give the ball to Devine he'd have a decent pop at it!

Paddy Heaney said same thing today in Irish News

3) There's a couple of boys can consider themselves lucky at staying on the field, one from each team that I noticed. Penrose swung a box at Diver at 1:44:19 (BBC Iplayer) and Skinner caught X? in a late tackle then seemed to try and stamp on him! Very stupid.

Skinner caught Ricey in this incident, which was maybe why reacted to Paddy the way he did. Not sure why he didn't do it to Eoin. Maybe he did it to both just to really rub it in 

4) Undecided about the Dooher incident, anyone any clear (unbiased) reports as to what actually happened?

As Dooher and McGuigan were running in for the free to be taken, they were shouldering eachother and managed to bang heads I think. Which would explain why Dooher was cut above the left eye and McGuigan was cut on the temple on the right hand side.

[lynchbhoy]

It might also highlight a potential weakness for Tyrone in the future ... If that was the amount of ball a poor Derry team won - what could a better midfield do to them?

Wouldnt think so, its not as if winning midfield has been the key to Tyrone's success over the past few years.

winning midfeld is key to tyrone and most teams chances of winning the game.
as tyrone dont have high fielding midfielders they had been relying on breaking the ball and having their half forwards/half backs winning the breaks - which is still a question of 'winning midfield'

I am surprised to see that tyrone won the high fielding aspect but lost the breaking ball !

[Our Nail Loney]

Just watched the game there again. A few things after viewing it for a second time:

1) A few posters on here said how well Jordan played, this baffles me.  Jordan is a class player but he was anonymous on Sunday.
2) Its a credit to the Derry defenders that kept O'Neill and Cavanagh so quiet, the rest should have realised their own men were as dangerous, Tyrone have 14 men that can score and I dare say give the ball to Devine he'd have a decent pop at it!
3) There's a couple of boys can consider themselves lucky at staying on the field, one from each team that I noticed. Penrose swung a box at Diver at 1:44:19 (BBC Iplayer) and Skinner caught X? in a late tackle then seemed to try and stamp on him! Very stupid.
4) Undecided about the Dooher incident, anyone any clear (unbiased) reports as to what actually happened?
5) Tyrone's bench didn't win it but it certainly made sure they kept their lead, great additions from the subs.
6) Derry didnt have the firing power on the bench or on the field for that matter.
7) Booo.

edit: How does Colm Cavanagh keep getting so much game time? Although if I remember correctly he went off when Dooher came back on and never got back on again? Perhaps he was just handy (warming up) when Dooher got split?

I thought he should have went when McGuckin got sent off, I clearly saw him trying to punch one of the Derry players.

[screenmachine]

As Dooher and McGuigan were running in for the free to be taken, they were shouldering eachother and managed to bang heads I think. Which would explain why Dooher was cut above the left eye and McGuigan was cut on the temple on the right hand side.

It wasn't a headbutt then Archie.  He didn't try to stab him or anythin?  Did you see a knife?  Glad you cleared that up cos any of the inbred's that I've been talkin to would have you belive that Dooher was lined up from about 10 yards away and hit the worst headbutt you've ever seen!  

[Muzz]

As Dooher and McGuigan were running in for the free to be taken, they were shouldering eachother and managed to bang heads I think. Which would explain why Dooher was cut above the left eye and McGuigan was cut on the temple on the right hand side.

It wasn't a headbutt then Archie.  He didn't try to stab him or anythin?  Did you see a knife?  Glad you cleared that up cos any of the inbred's that I've been talkin to would have you belive that Dooher was lined up from about 10 yards away and hit the worst headbutt you've ever seen!  

Not like Derry "WAN's" to be slating their own players!  But you can now let them know McGuigan is as genuine as the rest of your squad - bar Conway.