Clerical abuse!

[The Iceman]

EG there has been mention already for the need for discussion, cool heads and time.
There cannot be a knee jerk reaction - it is near impossible.

Jesus may have cleared the temple but he also appointed a man who betrayed him as the Head of the Church (Peter).

[theskull1]

EG there has been mention already for the need for discussion, cool heads and time.
There cannot be a knee jerk reaction - it is near impossible.

Jesus may have cleared the temple but he also appointed a man who betrayed him as the Head of the Church (Peter).

Iceman...you know that is coded language for "I intend to sit it out and do F all and we'll see how it pans out"

[Eamonnca1]

Eamonn there have been plenty of insults and jibes. You have made your point clear so why even continue to contribute to the conversation?

That's a bit of an odd thing to say. You've made your point clear too, so why do you continue to contribute to the conversation?

I think most people are in agreement that there needs to be reform and most people recognize that the majority of those contributing to this conversation/debate will not be part of that reform.
You want all religion dead and buried. Good for you. Now slither on.

Charming.

[Hardy]

A woman read a letter on Liveline today (I know, but this one made sense). It was from her twin sister in New York. They had been born in a Magdalene laundry and taken from their mother (without warning) after seven weeks of breastfeeding. Their mother never saw them again, or knew where they had been taken, until they were 23 years old and went looking for her. Among other things, the letter said the following (in paraphrase):

I'm fed up hearing about the good priests and religious. Good people don't remain members of an institution that harbours child molesters, kept slaves, kidnapped children from their mothers and still obstructs investigation of these crimes. There are many secular charitable organisations in which good people can realise their vocations to do good for their fellow man, rather than compromise their integrity by retaining their membership of a corrupt organisation.

I thought it was an interesting perspective on the debate we're having here.

[Maguire01]

EG there has been mention already for the need for discussion, cool heads and time.
There cannot be a knee jerk reaction - it is near impossible.

Why is there a need for time? Why wait?

[The Iceman]

EG there has been mention already for the need for discussion, cool heads and time.
There cannot be a knee jerk reaction - it is near impossible.

Jesus may have cleared the temple but he also appointed a man who betrayed him as the Head of the Church (Peter).

Iceman...you know that is coded language for "I intend to sit it out and do F all and we'll see how it pans out"

as opposed to stirring shit on gaa message boards and doing F all yourself? Skull you've been the same from you joined the board - a young crow.
Full of shit

[mylestheslasher]

A woman read a letter on Liveline today (I know, but this one made sense). It was from her twin sister in New York. They had been born in a Magdalene laundry and taken from their mother (without warning) after seven weeks of breastfeeding. Their mother never saw them again, or knew where they had been taken, until they were 23 years old and went looking for her. Among other things, the letter said the following (in paraphrase):

I'm fed up hearing about the good priests and religious. Good people don't remain members of an institution that harbours child molesters, kept slaves,       kidnapped children from their mothers and still obstructs investigation of these crimes. There are many secular charitable organisations in which good people can realise their vocations to do good for their fellow man, rather than compromise their integrity by retaining their membership of a corrupt organisation.

I thought it was an interesting perspective on the debate we're having here.

It is a carbon copy of what I've been saying on here for a long time.

[Eamonnca1]

as opposed to stirring shit on gaa message boards and doing F all yourself? Skull you've been the same from you joined the board - a young crow.
Full of shit

Charming. You must have missed the Sermon on the Mount.

[The Iceman]

Never claimed to be perfect or the next Jesus.
Just because I try to walk the path doesn't mean I am not able to step off now and again.

But then you "morally straight and guided by your own compass" boys can choose to do whatever you want because "you're not really hurting anyone"

Get used to the heat Eamonn......

[orangeman]

Surely Sean Brady should see that it's time for him as leader of the church in Ireland to admit at least to himself if not the public that he as much as anyone involved in this scandal, has been a large part of the massive cover up of child abuse for decades and that the future of the church in Ireland would be better served by allowing someone else to take over the reins and allow a new man to take control and lead the church to a renewal ?.

But given his appalling record of defending those who were up to their necks in abuse, this is unlikely to happen.

The same should apply to Sean Brady's counterparts in every diocese throughout Ireland and indeed the whole world.

New leaders should be appointed and the old boys who were complicit should be kicked out and exposed. As long as Sean Brady and men like him remain in power, the church will never undergo the change that is necessary to ensure its future well being.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Never claimed to be perfect or the next Jesus.
Just because I try to walk the path doesn't mean I am not able to step off now and again.

But then you "morally straight and guided by your own compass" boys can choose to do whatever you want because "you're not really hurting anyone"

Get used to the heat Eamonn......

Are You using your hell to threaten Eamonn are ya?   

We are not afraid of superstition or your imaginary friends.

[Eamonnca1]

Never claimed to be perfect or the next Jesus.
Just because I try to walk the path doesn't mean I am not able to step off now and again.

But then you "morally straight and guided by your own compass" boys can choose to do whatever you want because "you're not really hurting anyone"

Get used to the heat Eamonn......

Are You using your hell to threaten Eamonn are ya?   

We are not afraid of superstition or your imaginary friends.

HAHA! Quality!

[Maguire01]

Surely Sean Brady should see that it's time for him as leader of the church in Ireland to admit at least to himself if not the public that he as much as anyone involved in this scandal, has been a large part of the massive cover up of child abuse for decades and that the future of the church in Ireland would be better served by allowing someone else to take over the reins and allow a new man to take control and lead the church to a renewal ?.

But given his appalling record of defending those who were up to their necks in abuse, this is unlikely to happen.

The same should apply to Sean Brady's counterparts in every diocese throughout Ireland and indeed the whole world.

New leaders should be appointed and the old boys who were complicit should be kicked out and exposed. As long as Sean Brady and men like him remain in power, the church will never undergo the change that is necessary to ensure its future well being.

The problem for the church is that there are no new boys to take over.

[Maguire01]

But then you "morally straight and guided by your own compass" boys can choose to do whatever you want because "you're not really hurting anyone"

Just to be clear, who's hurting who?

[orangeman]

Surely Sean Brady should see that it's time for him as leader of the church in Ireland to admit at least to himself if not the public that he as much as anyone involved in this scandal, has been a large part of the massive cover up of child abuse for decades and that the future of the church in Ireland would be better served by allowing someone else to take over the reins and allow a new man to take control and lead the church to a renewal ?.

But given his appalling record of defending those who were up to their necks in abuse, this is unlikely to happen.

The same should apply to Sean Brady's counterparts in every diocese throughout Ireland and indeed the whole world.

New leaders should be appointed and the old boys who were complicit should be kicked out and exposed. As long as Sean Brady and men like him remain in power, the church will never undergo the change that is necessary to ensure its future well being.

The problem for the church is that there are no new boys to take over.

Surely there have to be potentially younger leaders out there untainted by all this scandal ? They all cannot be guilty ?.