Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[YO!]

Moy will probably get to the final again and have all their big players go missing once again.

We will also get a 10 minute cameo from Sean Cavanagh for some reason.

They might list their players in alphabetical order again and confuse teams! Michael Conroy playing corner back!

[Truthsayer]

We didn't win championship 2 years ago as we were not good enough maybe the same again this year you would never k ow.. definitely not thinking of Ulster or all Ireland titles... Coalisland would be favourites to win Intermediate with a full panel imo..

I'd say Clonoe definitely are favourites...  Bigtogs trying to take the pressure off. Big final the nite first albeit Div 2 Reserve... Fianna - Rahillys always box office!

Both teams stacked with current senior players hard to know if either want to play their seniors with senior championship next week..

I'd say they'll both go full strength. A county final's a county final.. added the rivalry. Be no players held back..

[KingKong1]

Galbally are on some run coming up to the championship 

[White Goodman]

Galbally are on some run coming up to the championship 

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But don't call them soft easttyrone23, breakingball78 & roundball would have you believe theyre hard as f**k because of their republican history.

The irony of getting that tanking off the stoops isn't lost on me either 😂

[W.A.G. Lover]

We have had this discussions several times before, but i think reform of our ACL needs to be implemented for the sake of Tyrone club football.

There is a top bracket of 10-12 clubs in Tyrone, with another 8-10 clubs who yo-yo between division 1 and 2. The gulf in class and squad depth between these top 10-12 clubs and the rest every year is getting worse every year. Some clubs are earning promotion on merit, but the different in class between the divisions is brutal and exposing the weaknesses and small squad of some of these clubs.

Derrylaughan have struggled all year without Kennedy and Carney at different times.
Gortin put up competitive performances at the start, but marginal defeats and running out of fumes now.
Pomeroy are weak without county players and just about do enough to survive every year.
Moortown got early points on the board, and look to have just about done enough.
After that you have a few clubs like Omagh, Carrickmore, etc who are teetering around lower end of the table every year but have enough to survive. Then above that the rest of the clubs are comfortable.

PROPOSAL 1
Id propose we revert to 5 divisions of 8, and 1 division of 10, so essentially retaining current championship structures, but splitting the leagues up more to avoid hammerings between top and bottom clubs in each league – Similar to division 3. Everyone plays other home and away with half fixtures starred and other half not starred, and potentially use the weighted points system. Top team and championship winner promoted, with 2 teams relegated – So 4 teams in a division of 8 have something to play for at the end. Could potentially add in a play off for 3rd bottom v 3rd top so 6 of the 8 teams have something to play for. This actually gives more clubs a chance of success as more divisions, which is surely appealing – Id say at least 50% of our clubs haven't lifted silverware in the past 30 years!

PROPOSAL 2
Another proposal would be revert to the old style, 3 divisions of 12 and 1 division of 14. Only play 1 round of fixtures so less games to squeeze in at the end. Retain the 5 starred fixtures and then 6 games leading into championship. Or play 11 starred with weighted points and 11 un-starred. 2 potential options for Championship would be top 12 in division 1A, plus 4 divisional teams to equate to the 16 for senior championship, similar to Kerry model – Gives intermediate and junior players a crack at senior championship. The remaining 12 in 1B, plus highest 4 finishers that season in division 2 would be intermediate championship and the remaining 8 in division 2 and 14 in division 3 would be junior championship. League and championship winners promoted with bottom 2 relegated, with potentially no play-off and instead the lure of finishing higher for a higher championship been the league motivation. Potentially division 3 could be split into junior A and junior B similar to this season to avoid hammerings.

Personally I think the 2nd proposal is the best option as it gives the best of both worlds. Appreciate it is not perfect and needs a few tweaks but definitely a good starting point for discussion. We cant persist with the current model to protect the bigger clubs. Clonoe and Coalisland, 2 of the so called bigger clubs, have went through the trap door and have survived. If anything its given them a chance to rebuild and transition a new younger squad.

[Liberation]

Leave it be.

[Snapchap]

After that you have a few clubs like Omagh, Carrickmore, etc who are teetering around lower end of the table every year but have enough to survive. Then above that the rest of the clubs are comfortable.

lol what? This is the first time in six years that Carrickmore haven't finished in the top 4.

2024 - Finished 3rd and lost league final
2023 - Finished 4th and lost league final
2022 - Finished 3rd
2021 - Finished 1st and won league final
2020 - Finished 4th

In the same time period, Omagh have only been out of the top half of the table twice (and only by a whisker).

[Sean Og Patriots]

Leave it be.

Too much info on 1 page 4 ya? lol

[Liberation]

Leave it be.

Too much info on 1 page 4 ya? lol

Nah pal, I just think certain teams go through periods of domination and others fall away.  Look at Dungannon a few years back and Trillick, a team in junior and intermediate now they are top 3-5 sides in the county.

[W.A.G. Lover]

After that you have a few clubs like Omagh, Carrickmore, etc who are teetering around lower end of the table every year but have enough to survive. Then above that the rest of the clubs are comfortable.

lol what? This is the first time in six years that Carrickmore haven't finished in the top 4.

2024 - Finished 3rd and lost league final
2023 - Finished 4th and lost league final
2022 - Finished 3rd
2021 - Finished 1st and won league final
2020 - Finished 4th

In the same time period, Omagh have only been out of the top half of the table twice (and only by a whisker).

Point taken on Carrickmore and Omagh, but as i said "a few clubs like" - Not explicitly those 2 clubs. I only used them as an example based on 2025 league standings. Ardboe, Donaghmore, etc are other examples - But thats not my point. My point is the gulf between the top clubs and those going down/coming up each year is massive.

[Sean Og Patriots]

After that you have a few clubs like Omagh, Carrickmore, etc who are teetering around lower end of the table every year but have enough to survive. Then above that the rest of the clubs are comfortable.

lol what? This is the first time in six years that Carrickmore haven't finished in the top 4.

2024 - Finished 3rd and lost league final
2023 - Finished 4th and lost league final
2022 - Finished 3rd
2021 - Finished 1st and won league final
2020 - Finished 4th

In the same time period, Omagh have only been out of the top half of the table twice (and only by a whisker).

Point taken on Carrickmore and Omagh, but as i said "a few clubs like" - Not explicitly those 2 clubs. I only used them as an example based on 2025 league standings. Ardboe, Donaghmore, etc are other examples - But thats not my point. My point is the gulf between the top clubs and those going down/coming up each year is massive.

One team got to an all ireland club final & one team got relegated from division 1 last year.

They met in the championship qfinal.

Draw.

Team that got relegated should have won. IMO

[tiempo]

Sean Og you're describing a near ambush, which hundreds of teams across the land are planning at the moment, none of them expect to end up in Croke Park come Jan/Feb

Perhaps worth looking at it this way, Dungannon are the biggest club to spend visit Junior this century, Killyman are the smallest club to play Senior, its a meritocracy, Clonoe and Coalisland have proved no-one is too big to go down, Gortin proved no-one is too small to go up, I don't think the system merits change, the level of jeopardy on the vast majority of games is the best thing about it, its great to watch it unfold

[Liberation]

Sean Og you're describing a near ambush, which hundreds of teams across the land are planning at the moment, none of them expect to end up in Croke Park come Jan/Feb

Perhaps worth looking at it this way, Dungannon are the biggest club to spend visit Junior this century, Killyman are the smallest club to play Senior, its a meritocracy, Clonoe and Coalisland have proved no-one is too big to go down, Gortin proved no-one is too small to go up, I don't think the system merits change, the level of jeopardy on the vast majority of games is the best thing about it, its great to watch it unfold

Also very important you pay your GAA membership pal.

[W.A.G. Lover]

Sean Og you're describing a near ambush, which hundreds of teams across the land are planning at the moment, none of them expect to end up in Croke Park come Jan/Feb

Perhaps worth looking at it this way, Dungannon are the biggest club to spend visit Junior this century, Killyman are the smallest club to play Senior, its a meritocracy, Clonoe and Coalisland have proved no-one is too big to go down, Gortin proved no-one is too small to go up, I don't think the system merits change, the level of jeopardy on the vast majority of games is the best thing about it, its great to watch it unfold

Yes i agree its great to see some new faces in the divisions, but its almost certain after a few games it becomes an ambush and the gulf in class becomes evident.
With regards jeopardy, in our current structures we have 3-4 pushing promotion playoffs and 3 in relegation playoffs, a total of approx 6 from 16 places. In proposal 1 that would be 6 in 12 places and in proposal 2 that would be 6 in 8 places - Now that would be jeopardy in my opinion.
Also add in the potential for championship places been dictated by league standings, and a possible entry of divisional teams.
Any of these would still maintain our brilliant knockout structures and maintain league & championship link which makes our leagues more appealing than some counties.

[Themanupnorth]

We have had this discussions several times before, but i think reform of our ACL needs to be implemented for the sake of Tyrone club football.

There is a top bracket of 10-12 clubs in Tyrone, with another 8-10 clubs who yo-yo between division 1 and 2. The gulf in class and squad depth between these top 10-12 clubs and the rest every year is getting worse every year. Some clubs are earning promotion on merit, but the different in class between the divisions is brutal and exposing the weaknesses and small squad of some of these clubs.

Derrylaughan have struggled all year without Kennedy and Carney at different times.
Gortin put up competitive performances at the start, but marginal defeats and running out of fumes now.
Pomeroy are weak without county players and just about do enough to survive every year.
Moortown got early points on the board, and look to have just about done enough.
After that you have a few clubs like Omagh, Carrickmore, etc who are teetering around lower end of the table every year but have enough to survive. Then above that the rest of the clubs are comfortable.

PROPOSAL 1
Id propose we revert to 5 divisions of 8, and 1 division of 10, so essentially retaining current championship structures, but splitting the leagues up more to avoid hammerings between top and bottom clubs in each league – Similar to division 3. Everyone plays other home and away with half fixtures starred and other half not starred, and potentially use the weighted points system. Top team and championship winner promoted, with 2 teams relegated – So 4 teams in a division of 8 have something to play for at the end. Could potentially add in a play off for 3rd bottom v 3rd top so 6 of the 8 teams have something to play for. This actually gives more clubs a chance of success as more divisions, which is surely appealing – Id say at least 50% of our clubs haven't lifted silverware in the past 30 years!

PROPOSAL 2
Another proposal would be revert to the old style, 3 divisions of 12 and 1 division of 14. Only play 1 round of fixtures so less games to squeeze in at the end. Retain the 5 starred fixtures and then 6 games leading into championship. Or play 11 starred with weighted points and 11 un-starred. 2 potential options for Championship would be top 12 in division 1A, plus 4 divisional teams to equate to the 16 for senior championship, similar to Kerry model – Gives intermediate and junior players a crack at senior championship. The remaining 12 in 1B, plus highest 4 finishers that season in division 2 would be intermediate championship and the remaining 8 in division 2 and 14 in division 3 would be junior championship. League and championship winners promoted with bottom 2 relegated, with potentially no play-off and instead the lure of finishing higher for a higher championship been the league motivation. Potentially division 3 could be split into junior A and junior B similar to this season to avoid hammerings.

Personally I think the 2nd proposal is the best option as it gives the best of both worlds. Appreciate it is not perfect and needs a few tweaks but definitely a good starting point for discussion. We cant persist with the current model to protect the bigger clubs. Clonoe and Coalisland, 2 of the so called bigger clubs, have went through the trap door and have survived. If anything its given them a chance to rebuild and transition a new younger squad.

Change divisions? Asides from this year where clonoe have won every game, intermediate is the toughest division in Ireland with near enough any team can beat anyone.
Even divison 1 games are tough and competitive.
Let's not change what's not broken