Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[marty34]

I've been on about scenes at boys Go Games before but talking to a club mate it seems to be nothing compared to the ladies.

From what I've been told for political reasons the ladies have to call teams U9s, U11s and U13s but there is an agreement that despite what it is called they play to classrooms the same as the boys. Primary 5 and 6 are U9 etc

From what my club mate has told me a few clubs aren't following that agreement and playing girls based on date of birth in a bid to "win" the Go Games. Coaches of Go Games ages really need to have a look at themselves

As a youth coach in the ladies, I can say the LGFA in Tyrone don't help themselves. They've been messing around with the age groupings over the last couple of years. Trying to change it in line with the men's, then changing it back again because of some push back from clubs the week before the go games start. And communication is shocking. The rules themselves are poorly written from what I remember. Something like they recommend the majority of the team should be made up of p7 & year 8s. Yet you'll have year 9s who are twelve so surely they should be playing u13!
It's a bit of a shambles.

I thought the whole point in Go Games is you don't keep the score?

Not sure what teams are trying to win.

[Jerome]

I've been on about scenes at boys Go Games before but talking to a club mate it seems to be nothing compared to the ladies.

From what I've been told for political reasons the ladies have to call teams U9s, U11s and U13s but there is an agreement that despite what it is called they play to classrooms the same as the boys. Primary 5 and 6 are U9 etc

From what my club mate has told me a few clubs aren't following that agreement and playing girls based on date of birth in a bid to "win" the Go Games. Coaches of Go Games ages really need to have a look at themselves

As a youth coach in the ladies, I can say the LGFA in Tyrone don't help themselves. They've been messing around with the age groupings over the last couple of years. Trying to change it in line with the men's, then changing it back again because of some push back from clubs the week before the go games start. And communication is shocking. The rules themselves are poorly written from what I remember. Something like they recommend the majority of the team should be made up of p7 & year 8s. Yet you'll have year 9s who are twelve so surely they should be playing u13!
It's a bit of a shambles.

I thought the whole point in Go Games is you don't keep the score?

Not sure what teams are trying to win.

The coach at our club says that it was clear at a meeting with all the clubs that U13 was to be primary 7 and Year 8. It was also in the WhatsApp group, however he has said so far this year Kildress and Omagh have played strong girls from year 9 in a bid to win the Go Games. Laughable.

Yes scores and not kept. Not sure what they are trying to achieve. They had a host of subs the strong year 9 would be plenty for the Under 14s, if they were playing weak year 9s that needed development I would say no one would bat an eyelid. But strong year 9 against a weak primary 7 wouldn't be nice.

[trueblue1234]

Hard to say you're not eligible to a 12 year old for u13. That's why the LGFA need to make the changes to reflect that. I doubt that those clubs are playing those girls just to win.
As a coach, you can't really be saying to two girls the same age, "here your too good so you're not eligible. Sorry go and wait for next years u14 to start again in Feb. But you're ok tear away." That's just causing problems for the coaches with the girls and the parents.
As stated, no score and no league so there's no glory to be chasing. The Lgfa need to put a date in and that's the eligibility date. Or go with p7 & year 8 and make it 12.5.
I understand that they want to give room to smaller clubs to field. But drop down in team size if needs be.
The u13 in particular is difficult to pair up similar teams. You don't have much to go on.

[marty34]

I've been on about scenes at boys Go Games before but talking to a club mate it seems to be nothing compared to the ladies.

From what I've been told for political reasons the ladies have to call teams U9s, U11s and U13s but there is an agreement that despite what it is called they play to classrooms the same as the boys. Primary 5 and 6 are U9 etc

From what my club mate has told me a few clubs aren't following that agreement and playing girls based on date of birth in a bid to "win" the Go Games. Coaches of Go Games ages really need to have a look at themselves

As a youth coach in the ladies, I can say the LGFA in Tyrone don't help themselves. They've been messing around with the age groupings over the last couple of years. Trying to change it in line with the men's, then changing it back again because of some push back from clubs the week before the go games start. And communication is shocking. The rules themselves are poorly written from what I remember. Something like they recommend the majority of the team should be made up of p7 & year 8s. Yet you'll have year 9s who are twelve so surely they should be playing u13!
It's a bit of a shambles.

I thought the whole point in Go Games is you don't keep the score?

Not sure what teams are trying to win.

The coach at our club says that it was clear at a meeting with all the clubs that U13 was to be primary 7 and Year 8. It was also in the WhatsApp group, however he has said so far this year Kildress and Omagh have played strong girls from year 9 in a bid to win the Go Games. Laughable.

Yes scores and not kept. Not sure what they are trying to achieve. They had a host of subs the strong year 9 would be plenty for the Under 14s, if they were playing weak year 9s that needed development I would say no one would bat an eyelid. But strong year 9 against a weak primary 7 wouldn't be nice.

Is there not an issue with calling it an U13 group but then saying it's only for P. 7's and Year 8's?

[giveherlong]

Tyrone LGFA needs a serious shake up. Maybe this will come when the two associations merge.
Can be no ambiguity or grey area when it comes to youth grading. It's either U13 or U12.5. One or the other. Same issues arising at u11 and u9.
And what about Greencastle/Sperrin Og?! 'Drawn out of a hat' twice to play before Tyrone Senior Ladies in Stewartstown and then got to go to the full team day in Croke Park. If I was from Greencastle I would be doing the lotto every day!

[Jerome]

I've been on about scenes at boys Go Games before but talking to a club mate it seems to be nothing compared to the ladies.

From what I've been told for political reasons the ladies have to call teams U9s, U11s and U13s but there is an agreement that despite what it is called they play to classrooms the same as the boys. Primary 5 and 6 are U9 etc

From what my club mate has told me a few clubs aren't following that agreement and playing girls based on date of birth in a bid to "win" the Go Games. Coaches of Go Games ages really need to have a look at themselves

As a youth coach in the ladies, I can say the LGFA in Tyrone don't help themselves. They've been messing around with the age groupings over the last couple of years. Trying to change it in line with the men's, then changing it back again because of some push back from clubs the week before the go games start. And communication is shocking. The rules themselves are poorly written from what I remember. Something like they recommend the majority of the team should be made up of p7 & year 8s. Yet you'll have year 9s who are twelve so surely they should be playing u13!
It's a bit of a shambles.

I thought the whole point in Go Games is you don't keep the score?

Not sure what teams are trying to win.

The coach at our club says that it was clear at a meeting with all the clubs that U13 was to be primary 7 and Year 8. It was also in the WhatsApp group, however he has said so far this year Kildress and Omagh have played strong girls from year 9 in a bid to win the Go Games. Laughable.

Yes scores and not kept. Not sure what they are trying to achieve. They had a host of subs the strong year 9 would be plenty for the Under 14s, if they were playing weak year 9s that needed development I would say no one would bat an eyelid. But strong year 9 against a weak primary 7 wouldn't be nice.

Is there not an issue with calling it an U13 group but then saying it's only for P. 7's and Year 8's?

Yes but apparently it was being called U13 to appease some ruling from Croke Park but an agreement from clubs it would be classrooms the same as the boys as its Go Games. All clubs got the message apparently except Omagh and Kildress from that group, who are doing their own thing to win Go Games.

[Jerome]

Tyrone LGFA needs a serious shake up. Maybe this will come when the two associations merge.
Can be no ambiguity or grey area when it comes to youth grading. It's either U13 or U12.5. One or the other. Same issues arising at u11 and u9.
And what about Greencastle/Sperrin Og?! 'Drawn out of a hat' twice to play before Tyrone Senior Ladies in Stewartstown and then got to go to the full team day in Croke Park. If I was from Greencastle I would be doing the lotto every day!

Hadn't heard any of that

[Goals_Will_Come]

I've been on about scenes at boys Go Games before but talking to a club mate it seems to be nothing compared to the ladies.

From what I've been told for political reasons the ladies have to call teams U9s, U11s and U13s but there is an agreement that despite what it is called they play to classrooms the same as the boys. Primary 5 and 6 are U9 etc

From what my club mate has told me a few clubs aren't following that agreement and playing girls based on date of birth in a bid to "win" the Go Games. Coaches of Go Games ages really need to have a look at themselves

As a youth coach in the ladies, I can say the LGFA in Tyrone don't help themselves. They've been messing around with the age groupings over the last couple of years. Trying to change it in line with the men's, then changing it back again because of some push back from clubs the week before the go games start. And communication is shocking. The rules themselves are poorly written from what I remember. Something like they recommend the majority of the team should be made up of p7 & year 8s. Yet you'll have year 9s who are twelve so surely they should be playing u13!
It's a bit of a shambles.

I thought the whole point in Go Games is you don't keep the score?

Not sure what teams are trying to win.

The coach at our club says that it was clear at a meeting with all the clubs that U13 was to be primary 7 and Year 8. It was also in the WhatsApp group, however he has said so far this year Kildress and Omagh have played strong girls from year 9 in a bid to win the Go Games. Laughable.

Yes scores and not kept. Not sure what they are trying to achieve. They had a host of subs the strong year 9 would be plenty for the Under 14s, if they were playing weak year 9s that needed development I would say no one would bat an eyelid. But strong year 9 against a weak primary 7 wouldn't be nice.

Is there not an issue with calling it an U13 group but then saying it's only for P. 7's and Year 8's?

Yes but apparently it was being called U13 to appease some ruling from Croke Park but an agreement from clubs it would be classrooms the same as the boys as its Go Games. All clubs got the message apparently except Omagh and Kildress from that group, who are doing their own thing to win Go Games.

Two strongest underage ladies clubs in Tyrone so whatever they're doing its working for them

[trueblue1234]

But that's nonsense. And it's not just OMAGH and Kildress doing it. Most clubs We've played this year had year 9s. You can't have an u13 comp and not play 12 year olds. And you certainly can't pick and choose which 12 year olds you are going to include. That's a recipe for disaster with the parents.

[Jerome]

I messaged him, yes the agreement is P7 and Year 8 only as per our county board rep. Said that all clubs agreed this. Its the same as the boys. The terms under 13s shouldn't even be used it was just something to appease Croke Park who wouldn't allow 12.5 like boys and because they can't change within their own county board was to be classrooms. He said he talks to other coaches in run up to games. All have the same ruling apart from the two clubs he mentioned and who have decided to do their own thing.

[trueblue1234]

No mention of that to our club, or obviously any other club we've played. Someone either made a hems of getting that message out or someone's telling porkies.

And it's not like me to want to stick up for Omagh!!

[oakleafgael]

The issue/rule on this is/was very clear. Unlike in the GAA organised go-games which are able to set their own age grades ie. U8.5, U10.5 & U12.5 to allow children to play in school years, the LGFA rules do not permit this and only allow full years. For a long time the LGFA go-games have been organised on the same basis as the GAA go-games. P3 & P4 played U8.5, P5 & P6 played U10.5 and P7 & Y8 played U12.5. The LGFA at national level became aware of this due to a complaint about a go-games tournament and advised Tyrone that the status quo could not continue and they must play in full year groups.

All clubs attended a meeting about this and the conclusion from the meeting was that Clubs would play U9, U11 & U13 but that only P3 & P4 girls should play U9, only P5 & P6 girls should play U11 and only P7 & Y8 girls should play U13. Girls would get to play with their school year groups and that competitive football from U14 onwards was time enough to split girls into age based groups. So in effect the same groupings as before but with a different name. Unfortunately like a lot of things, you rely on people/coaches/clubs respecting the spirit of this agreement.

Regarding the point made about allowing one 12 year old to play and not another. That's very easily answered, if they are both Y8s play away, if one is a Y9 she shouldn't be playing. It's not "an U13 comp" it's go-games and people/clubs should respect that. Their is a proper U13 competition to be run once the go-games programme is finished.

[Christmas Lights]

Question.  For 10.5s, what is the current cut off dates?  Is this mainly P5 and P6 children at this age? 

[Jerome]

Well explained. To be fair our coach said that the majority follow the above, just a select few that has decided to do their own thing in a bid to win the Go Games

[Jerome]

Question.  For 10.5s, what is the current cut off dates?  Is this mainly P5 and P6 children at this age? 

P5 and P6 would be the Go Games ages.