Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[WT4E]

Moy mustn't be getting any grant as they were begging around the grounds this is still few weeks . Is it not enough paying the admission money without being targeted by these people. I'd like to know are they doing this with county board approval ?
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Whilst I agree with sentiments of people saying that ticket selling is hateful (I've done it myself many a time) and it is necessary I think doing it at a county championship match is a bit much. If its the host club and they're selling lotto at £1 a time that would be grand but major draw tickets???

Fair enough cover areas and knock doors - it gives the person a chance to refuse if they wish whereas at a game like this they may be put on the spot in front of their peers. It also gives the seller more anonymity as its daunting enough selling at doors without having to be refused in front of a large group.

I would wonder who in Moy club thought this a good idea?

[skeog]

WT its up to each individual to purchase a ticket cannot see the problem. Name me a club who has not sold tickets to improve facilities as a legacy to future generations in the GAA family.

[WT4E]

WT its up to each individual to purchase a ticket cannot see the problem. Name me a club who has not sold tickets to improve facilities as a legacy to future generations in the GAA family.

I think your missing my point - I am totally for clubs selling tickets to enhance their facilities and having went around knocking doors for my own club I know its a hateful job (I personally always buy of GAA clubs when they call because of these experiences and for GAA ethos)

My only point is I'm not in favour of clubs going to other GAA grounds and selling major fundraising tickets there. Just my opinion. I hope Moy club have a successful draw and I'll buy a ticket if the opportunity arises.

[Tyrone Gaa]

WT its up to each individual to purchase a ticket cannot see the problem. Name me a club who has not sold tickets to improve facilities as a legacy to future generations in the GAA family.

I think your missing my point - I am totally for clubs selling tickets to enhance their facilities and having went around knocking doors for my own club I know its a hateful job (I personally always buy of GAA clubs when they call because of these experiences and for GAA ethos)

My only point is I'm not in favour of clubs going to other GAA grounds and selling major fundraising tickets there. Just my opinion. I hope Moy club have a successful draw and I'll buy a ticket if the opportunity arises.

I see it as an opportunist move by the Moy club to target venues that will be attended by GAA supporters.  You see it at Clones all the time although I think Ulster Council approval is required (correct me if I'm wrong).  They already collared me at my door so I wasn't gonna buy another ticket at the gate but if I hadn't purchased I would of supported their cause. 

I see both sides of the argument but I wouldn't disagree with any club employing a similar tactic.  The buyer always has the option to decline the sale.  Or in Kev's option slate them on an online message board (as well as not purchase  )

[Christmas Lights]

I know this has been mentioned before a while back but some questions need to be asked of the county board regarding reserve football. I just looked over the fixtures on tyronegaa.com.Div 1 reserves havent played since the end of august and before that only had a handful of fixtures due to holidays etc and out of the last 20 games played 10 were conceded. No reserve championship played yet. There has to be some major changes made if they want the reserve leagues to survive. Im only talking about div1 here too, god knows what shape the intermediate and junior leagues are in.

I said it a few pages back, it is time to simply scrap reserve football in Tyrone and forget about it. Just play a senior league, D1, D2 and D3. Nobody cares about it at a board level, and players at nearly all clubs lose interest after a while.  A lot of clubs seem to struggle to field a reserve team with a lot of games forfeited as the season goes in all divisions even D1.  Reserve football is dead in Tyrone.  Time to bury it. 

[Snapchap]

My only point is I'm not in favour of clubs going to other GAA grounds and selling major fundraising tickets there. Just my opinion. I hope Moy club have a successful draw and I'll buy a ticket if the opportunity arises.

I see it as an opportunist move by the Moy club to target venues that will be attended by GAA supporters. 

Can neither of you see that there are extenuating circumstances in Moy's case with regards the fact that their clubrooms have been gutted by two arson attacks in around about the last year? Cut them a bit of slack. They are going outside the norms in fundraising for no other reason than their circumstances are outside the norm. They seemingly are getting little/no joy from the cops or insurance, so maybe it's time to cut them some slack?

[WT4E]

I do feel sorry for them. Unfortunately there's been plenty of club rooms targeted in the past and its the first time I've heard of this type of ticket selling.

Just my opinion - I hope their fundraising is very successful and they get back up and running soon - have they been without club room facilities for long?

[Snapchap]

I do feel sorry for them. Unfortunately there's been plenty of club rooms targeted in the past and its the first time I've heard of this type of ticket selling.

Just my opinion - I hope their fundraising is very successful and they get back up and running soon - have they been without club room facilities for long?

Plenty of club rooms destroyed, indeed, but rarely immediately after rebuilding from an initial arson attack. If it were my club, then hell rub it up anyone that had a problem with me standing at any championship fixture trying to raise a few pound to help pay the repairs. We're the GAA. When another member is down, we generally help them up again. Why any different for a club?

Not sure how their rebuilding is going.

[WT4E]

I'll be glad to help - Just waiting on them to call. 

[Tyrone Gaa]

Snapchap your taking me up wrong, I described this as an opportunist move but I am applauding that not being critical. 

[Snapchap]

Snapchap your taking me up wrong, I described this as an opportunist move but I am applauding that not being critical.

Fair enough!

[blackball]

I know this has been mentioned before a while back but some questions need to be asked of the county board regarding reserve football. I just looked over the fixtures on tyronegaa.com.Div 1 reserves havent played since the end of august and before that only had a handful of fixtures due to holidays etc and out of the last 20 games played 10 were conceded. No reserve championship played yet. There has to be some major changes made if they want the reserve leagues to survive. Im only talking about div1 here too, god knows what shape the intermediate and junior leagues are in.

I said it a few pages back, it is time to simply scrap reserve football in Tyrone and forget about it. Just play a senior league, D1, D2 and D3. Nobody cares about it at a board level, and players at nearly all clubs lose interest after a while.  A lot of clubs seem to struggle to field a reserve team with a lot of games forfeited as the season goes in all divisions even D1.  Reserve football is dead in Tyrone.  Time to bury it.

What happens to the clubs that have enough players to field every week?? do they just join Division 3 of the ACL?  Scrapping it would be harsh,they could try changing it slightly. They should play ALL reserve games during the week or on a friday for a start. Thats a total no brainer!

[blewuporstuffed]

I know this has been mentioned before a while back but some questions need to be asked of the county board regarding reserve football. I just looked over the fixtures on tyronegaa.com.Div 1 reserves havent played since the end of august and before that only had a handful of fixtures due to holidays etc and out of the last 20 games played 10 were conceded. No reserve championship played yet. There has to be some major changes made if they want the reserve leagues to survive. Im only talking about div1 here too, god knows what shape the intermediate and junior leagues are in.

I said it a few pages back, it is time to simply scrap reserve football in Tyrone and forget about it. Just play a senior league, D1, D2 and D3. Nobody cares about it at a board level, and players at nearly all clubs lose interest after a while.  A lot of clubs seem to struggle to field a reserve team with a lot of games forfeited as the season goes in all divisions even D1.  Reserve football is dead in Tyrone.  Time to bury it.

What happens to the clubs that have enough players to field every week?? do they just join Division 3 of the ACL?  Scrapping it would be harsh,they could try changing it slightly. They should play ALL reserve games during the week or on a friday for a start. Thats a total no brainer!

Its certainly worth a try.
One thing we  cant do is continue the way it is.

[Up The Middle]

I know this has been mentioned before a while back but some questions need to be asked of the county board regarding reserve football. I just looked over the fixtures on tyronegaa.com.Div 1 reserves havent played since the end of august and before that only had a handful of fixtures due to holidays etc and out of the last 20 games played 10 were conceded. No reserve championship played yet. There has to be some major changes made if they want the reserve leagues to survive. Im only talking about div1 here too, god knows what shape the intermediate and junior leagues are in.

I said it a few pages back, it is time to simply scrap reserve football in Tyrone and forget about it. Just play a senior league, D1, D2 and D3. Nobody cares about it at a board level, and players at nearly all clubs lose interest after a while.  A lot of clubs seem to struggle to field a reserve team with a lot of games forfeited as the season goes in all divisions even D1.  Reserve football is dead in Tyrone.  Time to bury it.

What happens to the clubs that have enough players to field every week?? do they just join Division 3 of the ACL?  Scrapping it would be harsh,they could try changing it slightly. They should play ALL reserve games during the week or on a friday for a start. Thats a total no brainer!

Its certainly worth a try.
One thing we  cant do is continue the way it is.

Reserve footballers have always been treated badly in Tyrone, as Kev said there's no money in it for the County Board. We have been fortunate this past few years in Clonoe to always have had large numbers and very good reserve teams. Our reserve success has been a catalyst for our senior success and the majority of our current senior team would have reserve championship medals. If something new isn't tried a lot of players will drop of after u21 (which is also a shambles). These guys deserve to be treated every bit as well as their senior counterparts, they do the same training and give up the same amount of their own time to their clubs.

[HalfBack7]

I know this has been mentioned before a while back but some questions need to be asked of the county board regarding reserve football. I just looked over the fixtures on tyronegaa.com.Div 1 reserves havent played since the end of august and before that only had a handful of fixtures due to holidays etc and out of the last 20 games played 10 were conceded. No reserve championship played yet. There has to be some major changes made if they want the reserve leagues to survive. Im only talking about div1 here too, god knows what shape the intermediate and junior leagues are in.

I said it a few pages back, it is time to simply scrap reserve football in Tyrone and forget about it. Just play a senior league, D1, D2 and D3. Nobody cares about it at a board level, and players at nearly all clubs lose interest after a while.  A lot of clubs seem to struggle to field a reserve team with a lot of games forfeited as the season goes in all divisions even D1.  Reserve football is dead in Tyrone.  Time to bury it.

What happens to the clubs that have enough players to field every week?? do they just join Division 3 of the ACL?  Scrapping it would be harsh,they could try changing it slightly. They should play ALL reserve games during the week or on a friday for a start. Thats a total no brainer!

Its certainly worth a try.
One thing we  cant do is continue the way it is.

Reserve footballers have always been treated badly in Tyrone, as Kev said there's no money in it for the County Board. We have been fortunate this past few years in Clonoe to always have had large numbers and very good reserve teams. Our reserve success has been a catalyst for our senior success and the majority of our current senior team would have reserve championship medals. If something new isn't tried a lot of players will drop of after u21 (which is also a shambles). These guys deserve to be treated every bit as well as their senior counterparts, they do the same training and give up the same amount of their own time to their clubs.

The only way to save reserve football is to play it as stand alone leagues which has promotion and relegation.
So far there has been:
20 games conceded in Reserve Division 1
16 games conceded in Reserve Division 2
42 games conceded in Reserve Division 3
- Making each division more competitive by introducing promotion and relegation would go a long way to helping the reserve league. Teams will think twice about conceding reserve fixtures if there is a possibility of relegation.
- Player will have move pride in playing reserve football if it is made more competitive.

Other steps to help with the reserve football would be:
- Games to go ahead on weekends that have county games (there is no reason that reserve football could not be played on the Friday night when the county are playing on the Sunday)
- Reserve league football to go ahead during club championship weeks (it could easily be played as mid week fixtures during the summer)
- An early championship in reserve football. Currently the rule states that you cannot play reserve championship if you have played championship football for your clubs senior team in the same year. A slight tweak to the rule could fix this, you cannot play reserve championship football if you have played championship football for your current/previous clubs senior team in the year prior.

Or we could just keep ignoring the problem and let reserve football die out altogether.