Armagh vs. Cork Sunday, April 12

[Skiddybadoo]

Has anyone been able to confirm whether P Toal is still on the panel, been training or injured?

Have you any reason to believe that he is no longer on the panel?

No reason to suspect he wasn't on the panel; ust hadn't heard mention of him being injured and time is running out for him to make a mark in the HF line.  Seems to be very injury prone, but I think he has great abilty. 

Could Forker do a job in the HF line and is it to early to expect Jamie Clarke's skill to show itself at senior intercounty level? Are any of the current U-21s, great prospects that they are, realistic senior material at the moment.  Cumiskey looks a great prospect and there does appearbe a lot of talent in the county.  It's a quandry as to who the best 15 are in the county in their positions or achieving the best blend.  Good situ to be in. 

Is K Toner likely to face Cork considering the U21 final is on the following Wednesday?  Maybe a chance to see D McKenna in midfield, or experimenting in the HF line.  He has tremendous pace and his height and fielding may yeild better results away from a congested middle?

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

His final year (I presume) could end up like Oisin's.

In the bookies Sorry couldn't resist that.

Well you should have resisted it. p***k.

[corn02]

His final year (I presume) could end up like Oisin's.

In the bookies Sorry couldn't resist that.

Well you should have resisted it. p***k.

Wasn't that bad TAC, just a stupid joke from Illdecide.

[Hank Everlast]

Bit of an over reaction there Tac... a jokes a joke

[Abble]

armagh v cork thread, lets keep it that way lads

[mountainboii]

Has anyone been able to confirm whether P Toal is still on the panel, been training or injured?

Have you any reason to believe that he is no longer on the panel?

No reason to suspect he wasn't on the panel; ust hadn't heard mention of him being injured and time is running out for him to make a mark in the HF line.  Seems to be very injury prone, but I think he has great abilty. 

Could Forker do a job in the HF line and is it to early to expect Jamie Clarke's skill to show itself at senior intercounty level? Are any of the current U-21s, great prospects that they are, realistic senior material at the moment.  Cumiskey looks a great prospect and there does appearbe a lot of talent in the county.  It's a quandry as to who the best 15 are in the county in their positions or achieving the best blend.  Good situ to be in. 

Is K Toner likely to face Cork considering the U21 final is on the following Wednesday?  Maybe a chance to see D McKenna in midfield, or experimenting in the HF line.  He has tremendous pace and his height and fielding may yeild better results away from a congested middle?

Not sure about Forker in the HF line, the way we seem to be playing our HFs need to be absolute workhorses and although Forker is a very talented forward I'm not sure its his game to be scraping around for dirty ball in the HB line  Probably a year or two early for Clarke, but I've really high hopes for him down the line. The whole HB line on that U21 team have tremendous pace, Cumiskey is the lad at Uni in Scotland though isn't he? Dunno how that might restrict development over the next couple of years for him 

The GAA, and the Ulster Council in particular, seem to be doing their bit for player burn out this season anyway. Ulster final, crucial league match, and then a potential AI semi final in the space of 7 days for Toner. Joke of a situation 

[Skiddybadoo]

Not sure about Forker in the HF line, the way we seem to be playing our HFs need to be absolute workhorses and although Forker is a very talented forward I'm not sure its his game to be scraping around for dirty ball in the HB line 
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I agree.  That's whay I'd like to see someone like Toal who has the ability to deliver an accurate pass.  From what I've seen this year I don't think Mallon and MOR in the same has been successful.  As someone pointed out earlier, they seem to be doing the same job, dropping back and foraging for ball.  With Charlie snapping up a lot of loose ball, do we need two HFs committed to that role too?  Then when we do pick up the breaks there's often an ocean of space into the FF line with no consistent and accurate delivery going in.  A linking, scoring HF along with MOR is required, which is why I think Toal may produce a more coherent and productive line.  KOR has also played HF for the U21s and I thought he got on the ball a lot and used it well.

My $0.02 worth.

[Diet Coke]

Toal has gone from county panel, surprise surprise......but is going to concentrate on his club......

[armaghniac]

It is too early for the likes of Jamie Clark and possibly Forker, the advantage of the U-21 grade is to give players fairly high level competition rather than sitting on the bench of senior team. Their time will come and it is great that we have some talent coming through. We have Mallon SK, TK, KOR, MOR (jr) Feeney and Henderson, we just have to figure what is the best way to use these to best advantage.  

[charlie stubbs]

I know he's a talented lad, but I can't see the justification for starting Peader Toal to lead the attack against Tyrone.

The team I Think McDonnell will start v Tyrone (barring injuries)


                McEvoy

A Mallon   B Donaghy    B Shannon

A Kernan  C McKeever   F Moriarty

      K Toner       C Vernon

    M O'Rourke     B Mallon

    S Kernan        S McDonnell

    R Clarke         K O'Rourke

                 


The team I'd start:

                 Hearty

A Mallon     B Donaghy    P Kernan


A Kernan    C McKeever   B Shannon


       K Toner       C Vernon

M O'Rourke  J Lavery       S Kernan


S McDonnell    R Clarke      T Kernan

dont see the justification of lavery starting tbh never mind at centre half forward.really seems be struggling this year, after his injury

[bennydorano]

Peadar has left (or was pushed depending on which version you listen to) the Armagh panel alright.  Pity for Armagh but great news for the Harps.  Hear he was deadly today in the Killeavey 7's, scored 0-10 (from 0-13)as Harps beat Cross in a group game and contributed 2-20 or something in the four games he played (and missed most of one of them afer going over on his ankle).  I dont think I'd be doing him an injustice by saying he just cant be arsed, just the way he is unfourtunately.

[ardmhachaabu]

Yeah benny, pity that, as I know he is a class act alright

Still, it's better he leaves now than just before the business end...

[illdecide]

That lad Toal seems to have trouble getting his right, he obviously has talent and prob a lot more than guys on the panel but we all know if your attitude's not right and focused 100% then talent is not enough. Good news for Harps though as he'll be there every week to send them back up to Div 1...


Tac your a bit out of order there saan, it was a joke as stated so less of the insults there are enough tools on the board without adding another wan to the list.


As for the Cork game and the rest of the year i think we're shaping up ok, i'd say 11 or 12 positions are clear enough with just 1 in defence, 1 in midfield and 1 in attack to maul over and the fitter the lads get and the more the ground firms up these positions will become more clearer...

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Personally I think its a lot more out of order to mock somebody's addiction, especially when its somebody who has given as much to Armagh supporters as Oisin has over the years.

No point in going on about it though.

[Abble]

Peadar has left (or was pushed depending on which version you listen to) the Armagh panel alright.  Pity for Armagh but great news for the Harps.  Hear he was deadly today in the Killeavey 7's, scored 0-10 (from 0-13)as Harps beat Cross in a group game and contributed 2-20 or something in the four games he played (and missed most of one of them afer going over on his ankle).  I dont think I'd be doing him an injustice by saying he just cant be arsed, just the way he is unfourtunately.

this is very disappointing. I'll hold my hands up and say that I have not followed the county as much as I should over the past couple of years but before this years league started i was intent on getting to as many games as possible and that was mainly to get seeing peadar. now as I know he played at the w/e in the 7's and he isnt injured, there is obviously some sort of disagreement somewhere about something between him and someone.

if the notion about peadar is that he just cant be arsed is floating around then thats a bit unfair. as most of us know he is naturally talented has natural fitness, the works, he's probably the type of lad who could do nothing for a whole year, grab his boots, go out on to field and skin all around him. we all know that these county teams are training almost like professional teams nowadays. now for lads in peadars category of ability(&mentality), to have to go out and put in the kind of training that is currently in place might all seem a bit unnecessary. its v v easy for us on the sidelines to be saying "for the love of the county" and that but some of the training might be a step too far...but i do know if he's thrown a jersey he can do things.

I don't know yet why he's no longer on the panel but all i can say is, that this is a big loss for us, v disappointing...at the end of the day we need new men coming in and having a full squad of men to call on...i'll still be in cork at the weekend though