The Many Faces of US Politics...

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Wildweasel74

£167 Billion apparently to Urkaine,  not hundreds, please get it right. Wonder how much Israel gets  on top of thete standard 8 billion per year.

RedHand88

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2025, 01:05:02 PM£167 Billion apparently to Urkaine,  not hundreds, please get it right. Wonder how much Israel gets  on top of thete standard 8 billion per year.

Aye you're right that's much better.

J70

Quote from: RedHand88 on March 02, 2025, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2025, 01:05:02 PM£167 Billion apparently to Urkaine,  not hundreds, please get it right. Wonder how much Israel gets  on top of thete standard 8 billion per year.

Aye you're right that's much better.

It amounts to less than 1% of US federal spending per year.

And it's worth every bloody penny.

fearbrags

How accurate is this ??
"""As I am in Ukraine at the moment, I would just like to correct a few lies from the Zelensky/Trump meeting based on my work here in Ukraine—Trump and Vance you are welcome to come visit although I doubt you have the courage to do so.
1) Zelensky showed up in military fatigues as he has done at every international meeting since day one of the 2022 Russian invasion—the second Russian invasion of Ukraine since 2014—to show his solidarity with the Ukrainian soldiers risking their lives to defend Ukraine, and to emphasize he is the leader of a country at war.
I didn't see any similar objections to the non-elected immigrant racist white supremacist Elon Musk showing up repeatedly in the White House in a T-shirt and baseball cap which he didn't even remove—it is a standard sign of respect to leadership to remove your hat—so don't lecture Zelensky on how to dress.
2) Zelensky is not a dictator and he is not an unpopular leader who is unable to mobilize his people. I have spent many nights and days in the last few weeks with soldiers heading to the frontlines and talking to them, and none of them have tried to refuse to serve and they were heading into the battle with determination and courage—I salute them and respect them deeply.
3) Ukraine and Zelensky doesn't have to thank the U.S. or Trump—the U.S. and Trump need to thank Ukraine and Zelensky. This is for two reasons.
First of all, Ukraine gave up the third-largest nuclear arsenal in the world voluntarily at the end of the USSR under the Budapest accords guaranteed by the U.S., UK, Russia and EU, giving up several trillion of dollars of nuclear weapons in return for security guarantees for its territorial integrity which Russia has violated and the U.S., UK and EU vowed to protect. If Ukraine had kept its nuclear weapons, it would have been one of the most nuclear armed countries in the world and Russia would have never invaded. We, the West, committed to defend Ukraine in exchange for its denuclearization so there is no need for Ukraine to thank the U.S. for keeping its promises.
Secondly, Ukraine is defending not just its own territorial integrity but the future of Europe. I have been interviewing people from the Russian-occupied territories the last few weeks and they really do live in a Stalinist prison camp that is unbelievably oppressive. This is what Putin wants to bring to much of Europe and we need to stop him in Ukraine to save our own democratic future, at any price (respecting human rights).
In was in Chechnya 25 years ago documenting the same Russian abuses, together at the same hotel with the murdered Anna Polikovskaya, the murdered Natalia Estemirova, and Memorial's Oleg Orlov who was imprisoned in February 2024 for "discrediting the Russian military" and later released in a prisoner exchange.
The difference in 1999-2000 is that we could operate in Russia, under the watchful eye of the FSB (the current KGB). The FSB were staying at the same hotel as us, the ACCA in Ingushetia, and one night I found a few cigarette butts on the floor of my room just to let me know they were watching us. Buy we could go to Moscow, Human Rights Watch had a staff and office in Moscow, and do our work despite the dangers.
Since the Russian invasion of 2022 (and long before that), that limited space for activism and civil society has closed down in Russia. There are no more independent journalists or human rights groups operating in Russia and the HRW office has long closed down, and Anna and Natalia and Nemtsov and so many others were simply murdered by Putin. Yet this is what Trump embraces instead of the freedom-loving Ukrainian people, and he has refrained of any criticism of the murderous dictator Putin, instead trying to humiliate the freedom-fighting Zelensky. But Zelensky isn't humiliated, he stands proud and strong because you cannot be humiliated by people you don't respect.
Shame on you, you twice impeached and felon convicted orange wanna be. You and your republican supplicants do not deserve our respect—I won't even spell republicans with a capital R because they don't deserve that honorific. Shame on you betrayers of our American Values.""
Peter Bouckaert

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2025, 01:05:02 PM£167 Billion apparently to Urkaine,  not hundreds, please get it right. Wonder how much Israel gets  on top of thete standard 8 billion per year.

That's not actually true either; its really far less.

Things like rocket motors have a shelf life. The US has largely been donating things that were about to go beyond their service life anyway, at which point one of two things happen:
1. Pay to have them refurbished for a life extension - not always possible.
2. Pay to have them disposed of, and buy new replacements.

The US has been taking option 2, but the only cost of disposal is paying shipment to Ukraine. Which is probably less than having them deconstructed in the USA!

The cost of buying replacements is there regardless as the US military will be replacing end-of-life items as a matter of course.


There are of course things which are real donations, like the HIMARS launch units. But the rockets themselves? I believe most were heading for disposal anyway in the near future!
i usse an speelchekor


Banks of the Bann

https://x.com/peterschiff/status/1896660831880007729?s=46

Donald Trump, the first crypto President, just helped pull off the biggest crypto rug pull of all time. A Congressional investigation is now warranted to find out the following regarding this pump and dump scheme.

Who authored the two Sunday afternoon posts on the President's Truth Social account?

Who knew about the first post in advance, and when were they first informed of the wording of the post and the timing of its release?

How much money those with advance notice spent buying XRP, ADA, SOL, BTC, and ETH, and if they sold, the exact timing of those sales, and the proceeds received?

We also need all emails or text messages that involve any members of the President's staff, his or their family or friends, his campaign donors, or Truth Social employees, that relate to either of the two Sunday Truth Social posts.

J70

I'm pretty clueless about crypto, but why would a government want to put public tax money into various, questionable cryptocurrencies?

Did any of these crypto bros pump cash into Trump's campaign or other schemes?

dec

Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2025, 01:28:04 PMI'm pretty clueless about crypto, but why would a government want to put public tax money into various, questionable cryptocurrencies?
Did any of these crypto bros pump cash into Trump's campaign or other schemes?
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/official-trump/

Banks of the Bann


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Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2025, 01:28:04 PMI'm pretty clueless about crypto, but why would a government want to put public tax money into various, questionable cryptocurrencies?

Did any of these crypto bros pump cash into Trump's campaign or other schemes?

Basically it looks like a pump and dump.

Those who are 'in the know' buy BTC etc on Friday.

Trump makes this announcement on Sunday.

On Monday everybody runs to buy BTC etc but those who are 'in the know' sell and make a fortune.

It's the announcement that starts the pump phase.

It's also illegal.

Why anyone would touch any of these 'coins' with a barge pole now is beyond me.

Jell 0 Biafra

Not illegal if The President does it though.  That's pretty much what the Supreme Court has ruled. 

seafoid

https://www.ft.com/content/8604ecd8-84ed-4469-b329-5707b0977a6c

Even before Trump kicked the Ukrainian delegation out of the White House, the US had already moved to normalise relations with Putin, appeared to adopt many of Russia's key positions on the war and pushed for Zelenskyy to be removed from office.

J70

Musk now spreading Ben Shapiro's lies about Derek Chauvin and how he should be pardoned.

Things aren't going great for Trump, so let's release a racist, murderous cop from prison so we can provoke a backlash and throw the country into upheaval purely as a distraction.

Mourne Red

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 04, 2025, 05:06:06 AMhttps://x.com/peterschiff/status/1896660831880007729?s=46

Donald Trump, the first crypto President, just helped pull off the biggest crypto rug pull of all time. A Congressional investigation is now warranted to find out the following regarding this pump and dump scheme.

Who authored the two Sunday afternoon posts on the President's Truth Social account?

Who knew about the first post in advance, and when were they first informed of the wording of the post and the timing of its release?

How much money those with advance notice spent buying XRP, ADA, SOL, BTC, and ETH, and if they sold, the exact timing of those sales, and the proceeds received?

We also need all emails or text messages that involve any members of the President's staff, his or their family or friends, his campaign donors, or Truth Social employees, that relate to either of the two Sunday Truth Social posts.

Wouldn't be worried about that one it was the meme coin him and his wife launched over inauguration weekend that fucked the crypto market and it's not recovered since.

He's been buying ETH, WBTC, ONDO and LINK through his investment fund World Liberty finance and his goon son has been telling everything to "buy the dip".

After the hammering Crypto got during Bidens 4 years I thought it would improve with Trump but he's completely fucked the market with his tariffs and scam coins

Truthsayer

I probably shouldn't but enjoyed this post on X from Chinese Embassy in Washington:
"If war is what the US wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war or any other type of war, we're ready to fight till the end."
Be careful what you vote for America..