The Many Faces of US Politics...

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johnnycool

Quote from: theskull1 on October 23, 2024, 10:14:57 PMEither way Israel's interests will be looked after first

Follow the money.

US "Democracy" is bought and paid for by a foreign Government.

https://theintercept.com/2024/10/24/aipac-spending-congress-elections-israel/

whitey

Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2024, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on October 23, 2024, 10:14:57 PMEither way Israel's interests will be looked after first

Follow the money.

US "Democracy" is bought and paid for by a foreign Government.

https://theintercept.com/2024/10/24/aipac-spending-congress-elections-israel/

Don't know if I'd agree with that

The Democrats have spent close to $1b on this election cycle and have a very good chance of losing to Trump today

theskull1

He said Democracy not Democrats

Israel are riding both horses in every western country. Jews run the game
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

Milltown Row2

Quote from: theskull1 on October 26, 2024, 06:23:42 AMHe said Democracy not Democrats

Israel are riding both horses in every western country. Jews run the game

Not many here in the north. Used to be a group of them living in North Belfast, Antrim road, possibly too much other crap going on at the time for them to try and run the show here
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

J70

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on October 26, 2024, 06:23:42 AMHe said Democracy not Democrats

Israel are riding both horses in every western country. Jews run the game

Not many here in the north. Used to be a group of them living in North Belfast, Antrim road, possibly too much other crap going on at the time for them to try and run the show here

Apparently it only takes a very small number of them to pull their outsize, secret strings.

Any of the Rothschilds up your way?

trileacman

Kamala's election strategy seems kind of strange to me. Would pro-abortion voters not already be voting for her anyway? Why the drive to focus on an issue that would surely alienate some of the right of centre voters you're trying to win over?

Maybe I just don't understand America politics enough but it's peculiar to focus on the one right wing issue that Trump seems pretty agnostic about.
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Milltown Row2

Trump odds on now, 4 mad years incoming
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

whitey

Quote from: theskull1 on October 26, 2024, 06:23:42 AMHe said Democracy not Democrats

Israel are riding both horses in every western country. Jews run the game

I never said he said Democrats could be bought

I said that the Democrats have spent $1B

All the money in the world can't help if you run a crap campaign with a crap candidate


whitey

Quote from: trileacman on October 26, 2024, 11:22:15 AMKamala's election strategy seems kind of strange to me. Would pro-abortion voters not already be voting for her anyway? Why the drive to focus on an issue that would surely alienate some of the right of centre voters you're trying to win over?

Maybe I just don't understand America politics enough but it's peculiar to focus on the one right wing issue that Trump seems pretty agnostic about.

The election is decided by the swing voters in the swing states

None of the swing states, afik, have really restrictive laws governing abortion    (like you would find in Texas)

So the lived reality of the voters who will decide the election is not one where their access to abortion has been limited post Dobbs. I'm some cases their access has actually expanded

Abortion (or Choice) was the ace card for Democrats in the 2022 mid terms, but this is a different card game

J70

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 11:25:16 AMTrump odds on now, 4 mad years incoming

It would appear it's heading that way.

Even more unhinged than before, but completely surrounded by yes men, sycophants, and true believers in his MAGA bilge. There'll be no sensible conservatives providing guardrails this time, despite the laughable nonsense the WSJ put out the other day in their editorial. The only potentially bright prospect (if you're not one of the poor unfortunates who'll be directly impacted) is that there will likely be a massive backlash again as people get reminded of what daily life under Trump, this time completely unrestrained, is like.

J70

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Quote from: trileacman on October 26, 2024, 11:22:15 AMKamala's election strategy seems kind of strange to me. Would pro-abortion voters not already be voting for her anyway? Why the drive to focus on an issue that would surely alienate some of the right of centre voters you're trying to win over?

Maybe I just don't understand America politics enough but it's peculiar to focus on the one right wing issue that Trump seems pretty agnostic about.

Trump may not give a shit personally (I've said before I'd be stunned if he hasn't paid for a few abortions), but he is directly responsible for Roe V Wade being abolished and has boasted plenty about it.

As for Harris, under the circumstances she probably did about as well as she could given her own limitations and the impossible situation Biden and his team created by insisting on staying in the race. She still has a shot at winning, where Biden had none. Whatever error is in the tight polling is probably going to lean one way across the board as it did the last two times. If it favours Trump as in the last two, he'll sweep the swing states, if it favours Harris, she'll pull enough to win with a state or two to spare. And it's not her fault that so much of the public are comfortable with Trump's corruption, appalling personal conduct, and authoritarian tendencies. Trump has said and done enough at this point to end the careers of a hundred politicians in normal times. The world has changed unfortunately.

whitey

J70

As a resident and taxpayer of NYC and NYS do you have any thoughts on how the open borders policies of the Biden/Harris is impacting your city and state?

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/services/for-the-public/accounting-for-asylum-seeker-services/fiscal-impacts/

J70

Quote from: whitey on October 26, 2024, 10:20:14 PMJ70

As a resident and taxpayer of NYC and NYS do you have any thoughts on how the open borders policies of the Biden/Harris is impacting your city and state?

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/services/for-the-public/accounting-for-asylum-seeker-services/fiscal-impacts/

Sure, but they're not really relevant to my point.

Even if you believe the borders are "open", if that was your issue, the GOP had lots of options, including De Santis, who would have been extremely "strong" on shutting down and penalizing immigration.

But leaving aside all his other "issues", they went with the man who stole hundreds of young children from their parents and who shut down a bipartisan border deal, supported by the CBP, purely to prevent any progress on the issue, so that he could benefit from using it as a political football during this election.

He gives no more of a f**k about immigrants than he does about Ashley Babbitt or abortion or the real problems of his supporters or the hundreds of contractors he screwed out of what he owed them over the decades. Everyone and everything is just a means to an end for him.

If you're not nervous about what is going to come if he wins, I don't know what to tell you.

theskull1

It never matters who wins. The hidden hand is fooling you into thinking the contest matters. It's smoke and mirrors
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

whitey

#25469
Trump is a danger to democracy

I would argue that the Democrats letting 11M people into the country illegally since 2021 (and giving them a pathway to citizenship) is also a danger to our democracy