The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Eamonnca1]

An attack on Harris is support for Trump. Every Democrat who stays at home in this election may as well be voting for Trump. The rednecks are voting.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

An attack on Harris is support for Trump. Every Democrat who stays at home in this election may as well be voting for Trump. The rednecks are voting.

if Democrats want the votes of people who don't support gencoide then they shouldn't support it. If trump wins then it's the Democrats own fault.

[Look-Up!]

An attack on Harris is support for Trump. Every Democrat who stays at home in this election may as well be voting for Trump. The rednecks are voting.

Sounds like Bush doctrine. You're either with us or with the terrorists. Ironic you should disparage the rednecks in your next sentence.

There are others running other than the 2 you mentioned you know.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Oh yeah - Putin's puppet Jill Stein

[Mourne Red]

An attack on Harris is support for Trump. Every Democrat who stays at home in this election may as well be voting for Trump. The rednecks are voting.

What an utterly brainwashed post that is

[J70]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

Yet the WSJ is giving the CNN interviewer shit this morning for allowing Harris to "both sides" the war.

There is zero sympathy for the Palestinians on the US right, including in respected media organizations like the WSJ. There wasn't an ounce of pro-Palestinian protest during the RNC in July because the GOP is not seen to be in any way reachable on this issue. Whatever sympathy exists and whatever hope there is for a moderating US influence on Netanyahu is only going to come through the Democratic Party. And unfortunately for the Palestinians, the October 7 attacks only made it harder for those working on their behalf in the US to make the case.

As has been pointed out a number of times before, the Israel-Palestine conflict does not really figure highly among political concerns within the broad US public in the first place. You can sanctimoniously throw abuse at those of us who support Harris all you want, but it doesn't change the case that for those of us who live in the US, there is a lot more on the table than Israel and Palestine, whichever candidate you support.

But hey, Trump could easily win in November. We'll see what kind of future Gaza and the wider Palestinian people have then when there is absolutely no US administration weight on their side of whatever settlement will come out of this war.

I will. It's all you deserve, utter contempt. You indirectly support genocide and you can twist it anyway you want but that's what you are doing.

I guess I'll just have to soldier on and live with your contempt Itchy. At least if I want to live and vote and have at least some say in the real world as it exists.

But good luck to you fighting the good fight, voting for whichever party and candidates meet your evidently extremely high, precise, white glove standards on each and every issue under the sun.

high standards... not supporting and arming a genocide is now high standard... 

No, my point is that expecting someone to abstain from exercising their vote in an election (in a two party system) which could lead to the reinstatement of Trump in the White House and all the damage, including an even worse deal for the Palestinians, that flows from that, all because one doesn't agree with everything that Harris and the Dem coalition stands for, is puritanical idiocy.

I'll leave the purity tests to the Trumpsters, thank you very much. It's worked out so well for the GOP, like zealots everywhere.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

[J70]

An attack on Harris is support for Trump. Every Democrat who stays at home in this election may as well be voting for Trump. The rednecks are voting.

Sounds like Bush doctrine. You're either with us or with the terrorists. Ironic you should disparage the rednecks in your next sentence.

There are others running other than the 2 you mentioned you know.

Protest votes for third parties do little to advance an agenda in a US presidential election. Especially this year, when the three independent candidates are all left-leaning and will pull from Harris, not Trump.

But let's say you vote for Chase Oliver, whose platform opposes Netanyahu's war in Gaza - where does his plan to abolish the federal reserve feature in one's thinking?

More importantly, what good will it do for the people of Gaza? Will President Trump, who benefited from your protest vote, suddenly find a modicum of humanity in his opinion of the Palestinians and bring that to bear on his party and Netanyahu?

This stuff has to come from the grass roots.

[J70]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

[Seamus]

An attack on Harris is support for Trump. Every Democrat who stays at home in this election may as well be voting for Trump. The rednecks are voting.

What an utterly brainwashed post that is

You will never ever come across a more brainwashed bunch of people as you will witness here. Hopefully this forum doesn't represent the broader view of the Irish people. Unfortunately that may well be the case.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

[J70]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

doesnt agree with everything.... its not a tax hike etc. its supporting and arming a genocide.

If Trump DIDN'T support the genocide, you'd have a valid point.

But he does, and he will offer even less support for their cause when this comes to settlement.

And there are plenty of other issues way more important than a tax hike or cut at stake here for Americans.

I personally would never vote for someone who supports arming a genocide. I would never even consider it.

That's your choice and legitimate option (presumably) living on the island of Ireland.

is it not an option for you?

[RadioGAAGAA]

Its not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

No. Just pointing out after you asked how could it be worse, how it could be worse...


Anyway, widening the argument your making out - if, as you say, both are equally bad on Gaza - then should anyone looking to vote for the two mainstream options not compare them on their other merits?

[T24]

Anybody who thinks letting Trump back into the White House will be good for the Palestinians needs to see a doctor.

No one said that. I said it makes no difference.

So why single out Harris for all the criticism while keeping schtum about Trump?

Cos no one on here is backing Trump.  We all know what a utter cnut he is.

are you voting in November ? if no don't get so worked up you