The Many Faces of US Politics...

Started by Tyrones own, March 20, 2009, 09:29:14 PM

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Jell 0 Biafra

It's for pretty much the same reason as to why Stalin's rivals didn't push him out and take over.  Trump is the Republican party now.  He has loyalists in all or most of the positions of power within the party. His daughter in law is the chair of the Republican National Committee!

 Those few who come out against him (e.g., Cheney, Romney) either face a MAGA backlash and become irrelevant, or just retire.  Romney, for example, noted that after his vote to impeach Trump, he had to hire extra security after threats on his family.  He also claims that several other Republican representatives told him that they were afraid to vote for impeachment precisely because (unlike the very wealthy Romney), they couldn't afford to cost of that kind of security.

clonian

Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 14, 2024, 01:09:30 PMIt's for pretty much the same reason as to why Stalin's rivals didn't push him out and take over.  Trump is the Republican party now.  He has loyalists in all or most of the positions of power within the party. His daughter in law is the chair of the Republican National Committee!

 Those few who come out against him (e.g., Cheney, Romney) either face a MAGA backlash and become irrelevant, or just retire.  Romney, for example, noted that after his vote to impeach Trump, he had to hire extra security after threats on his family.  He also claims that several other Republican representatives told him that they were afraid to vote for impeachment precisely because (unlike the very wealthy Romney), they couldn't afford to cost of that kind of security.

Fair enough. I didn't realise it was as bad as that. Land of the free...

J70

Most of the threats are idle and intended only to try to intimidate. But in a country with so many people and so many weapons, it takes only one crackpot. The recent attempt on Trump himself, Nancy Pelosi's husband, Gabby Giffords, Steve Scalise...

Eamonnca1

Quote from: clonian on August 14, 2024, 12:56:17 PMMy point was that knowing what happened after Biden got in with him not accepting the result etc, how was there not a majority of conservatives pushing better candidate in front of Trump to beat Biden. From the outside looking in it seemed that any new appointment could take the victory. Biden pulling out has left the republican party fighting a battle Trump wasn't ready for. As for the VP ticket - the democrats seem to have made the better choice there without knowing either character in depth.

Jell covers it pretty well above, but another reason is probably because he's a handy puppet. He's too scatterbrained and easily distracted to be able to formulate any policy of his own, so they concocted this Project 2025 stuff that they could implement by the back door after Biden's inevitable defeat. They weren't counting on there being a strong Democratic nominee, so they didn't feel the need to switch horses in the middle of the race and go through the process of looking for a new leader. That was their miscalculation.

Biden played an absolute blinder by pulling out after the RNC but before the DNC.

armaghniac

Of the seven swing states, Harris is now ahead of Trump in five, Georgia is a tie, and Trump only has Nevada. These are narrow leads so the game is not over, but the tide is going in one direction.
I saw a report from one pollster that younger women had basically all decided to vote for Harris.
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again

Rossfan

Like most people in Europe I can't understand how any half normal human could even think about voting for T***p.
Then I realise we're talking about  Yanks who think owning 50 machine guns is more important than having a public health system.
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

seafoid

Quote from: clonian on August 14, 2024, 12:56:17 PM
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Quote from: whitey on August 13, 2024, 01:53:14 PMSpeaking as a conservative, I hope he loses badly and I am seriously considering voting for Harris

He probably cost us 4 Senate Seats, 25 House seats and 2 or 3 Governorships in 2022

FFS the stuff Harris is on record as actually saying should make her unelectable.....but he hasn't an ounce of discipline and takes zero advice from anyone

How did normal conservatives think that Trump was ever the answer? I could understand it was a protest against Clinton who represented all that was wrong in politics at the time. But how he got back in after the Biden loss baffles me

The people who vote in the primaries are the extremists....in both sides. That's why the Democrats tried to rig their primary against Bernie back in 2016


No one thought Trump would ever win in 2016....his people turned out and her people didn't

And you ask how did he get back in the running after Biden won in 2020....it's not that baffling at all if you live here. Joe and Kamala have made a dogs dinner out of things the past 4 years

Just one example below

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/mass-senate-passes-budget-with-over-800m-to-help-migrant-shelters/3315898/?amp=1

My point was that knowing what happened after Biden got in with him not accepting the result etc, how was there not a majority of conservatives pushing better candidate in front of Trump to beat Biden. From the outside looking in it seemed that any new appointment could take the victory. Biden pulling out has left the republican party fighting a battle Trump wasn't ready for. As for the VP ticket - the democrats seem to have made the better choice there without knowing either character in depth.
Trump controls the GOP

Eamonnca1

Quote from: armaghniac on August 16, 2024, 10:58:07 AMOf the seven swing states, Harris is now ahead of Trump in five, Georgia is a tie, and Trump only has Nevada. These are narrow leads so the game is not over, but the tide is going in one direction.
I saw a report from one pollster that younger women had basically all decided to vote for Harris.

Not to get ahead of ourselves but they say Texas could be in play in 2028. It's been trending towards blue for a while, but 2028 will be the first year when the Dems have a realistic chance of taking it. Once it flips, it's game over for this hateful brand of conservative politics. They'll have to tack back to the centre. It'll also wrap it up for the electoral college because there should be enough electoral votes to enact the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact by then. With Dems controlling the House, Senate, and White House, they'll be able to grant DC statehood and fix the Supreme Court. It'll be the end of minority rule, and good bloody riddance.

Jell 0 Biafra

Texas?

Isn't Texas looking to move to an Electoral College model, where you have to win a majority of districts, regardless of population? Or am I thinking of some other red state?

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 20, 2024, 09:05:09 PMTexas?

Isn't Texas looking to move to an Electoral College model, where you have to win a majority of districts, regardless of population? Or am I thinking of some other red state?

First I've heard of it. Sounds like a bad case of gerrymandering, wherever that's happening.

Eamonnca1

Some great speeches at this DNC. Great atmosphere about the place these days. Echos of 2008.

Jell 0 Biafra

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2024, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 20, 2024, 09:05:09 PMTexas?

Isn't Texas looking to move to an Electoral College model, where you have to win a majority of districts, regardless of population? Or am I thinking of some other red state?

First I've heard of it. Sounds like a bad case of gerrymandering, wherever that's happening.

Yeah, Texas.

https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/why-texas-republicans-want-a-state-electoral-college/

Eamonnca1

Christ, that is terrifying. That's worse than the Derry/Londonderry gerrymander.

Jell 0 Biafra

I did wonder why Texas was considering this, but if your comment about 2028 and Texas being in play is accurate, that explains it.

Wildweasel74

Watching TV, Harris seems to get her point across alot better, Trump just takes shit and starts insulting people. Can't see him getting bck in, whereas with Biden there, he was a shoe in.