Sinn Fein - Shared Future, or a Segregated one?

[glens abu]

must live up the Shankill if you dont see Shinners at your door,as they call at my house at least 3/4 times a year plus have a 3 monthly bulletin and I live in Glengormley which is a mixed area

I am quite sure i dont, i have a fella that arrives plastered every Thursday selling An Phoblacht if that counts.......

if he calls at your house you must buy it.

My wife buys it the odd time as she "feels sorry" for him, it goes straight to the bin but he puts it through the letterbox regardless of anyone being in or not so the money aspect obviously isnt important. A cosmetic exercise?

you should grow a pair and tell him to f##k off

Sure i will maybe get a tough guy like you up to do it for me.......

surley you dont need to be tough to chase a Drunk from your door

[Maguire01]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

[glens abu]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

because its not what is required

[Maguire01]

Maguire:
SF had no objection to the HE allocating all of the house on the Crum site according to need. It was the DUP and that clampit that runs the NI soccer supporters club who stepped in to make sure it was gerrymadered in favour of unionist need.

Fair enough if that is the case.
So why then does she feel the need to oppose the development in Lisburn if that is to be allocated on the same basis?

[Maguire01]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

because its not what is required

Why not?
Is there not 22 people on the waiting list in Lisburn?

[Donagh]

So why then does she feel the need to oppose the development in Lisburn if that is to be allocated on the same basis?

But does she or is this a figment of someones imagination?

[glens abu]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

because its not what is required

Why not?
Is there not 22 people on the waiting list in Lisburn?

then build the 22 houses if that is what is needed but i work in Lisburn and the place is full of unfinished building sites that the work has stopped on why dont they buy them of the developers and finish the 22 they need instead of pretending that building a shared housing estate will solve all our problems,as i have already said ask the people who moved from west Belfast to stoneyford if it works.

[Minder]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

because its not what is required

Why not?
Is there not 22 people on the waiting list in Lisburn?

then build the 22 houses if that is what is needed but i work in Lisburn and the place is full of unfinished building sites that the work has stopped on why dont they buy them of the developers and finish the 22 they need instead of pretending that building a shared housing estate will solve all our problems,as i have already said ask the people who moved from west Belfast to stoneyford if it works.

Where are all the unfinished building sites in Lisburn? I am aware of new houses on Kirkwoods Rd being built by developers but i doubt they will get many of them sold. They are still working on them though.

[Maguire01]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

because its not what is required

Why not?
Is there not 22 people on the waiting list in Lisburn?

then build the 22 houses if that is what is needed but i work in Lisburn and the place is full of unfinished building sites that the work has stopped on why dont they buy them of the developers and finish the 22 they need instead of pretending that building a shared housing estate will solve all our problems,as i have already said ask the people who moved from west Belfast to stoneyford if it works.

The article states that they are being bought from a developer! They're doing exactly what you're proposing!

[Maguire01]

So why then does she feel the need to oppose the development in Lisburn if that is to be allocated on the same basis?

But does she or is this a figment of someones imagination?

Why? What way do you read it?

[glens abu]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

because its not what is required

Why not?
Is there not 22 people on the waiting list in Lisburn?

then build the 22 houses if that is what is needed but i work in Lisburn and the place is full of unfinished building sites that the work has stopped on why dont they buy them of the developers and finish the 22 they need instead of pretending that building a shared housing estate will solve all our problems,as i have already said ask the people who moved from west Belfast to stoneyford if it works.

Where are all the unfinished building sites in Lisburn? I am aware of new houses on Kirkwoods Rd being built by developers but i doubt they will get many of them sold. They are still working on them though.

up the new road from Dunmurry there are two sites that the work has stopped on this 2 months,as you pass the Belzise Rd.

[glens abu]

Let's play this out.

Lets say there are 10,000 nationalists on the waiting list and 2000 unionists (rough figures but the ratio is approximately correct) and 1000 people can be housed in this new development.

Under the SF proposals that would mean 800 would go to the nationalists and 200 would go to the unionists. That would reduce the nationalist waiting list by 8% and the unionist waiting list by 10%.

Presumably EG and the intellectual heavyweight known as Newt would have them allocated 50-50 which would result in 1000 each or satisfy 10% of nationalist need and 100% of unionist need.

But the article said that any housing would still be allocated on the basis of the waiting list. Therefore those with the highest points are allocated the housing, regardless of their religion. It's not about designing an appropriate split.

That may well mean that 95% of a North Belfast scheme would still be Catholic. The 'shared future' agenda just means that a new development wouldn't be planned as exclusively Catholic or Protestant.

yeah but the problem is at the old Girdwood site in north Belfast that is what is required and wanted by the SDLP and the Shinners but Unionists will not agree as the are worried about Mr.Dodds seat in North Belfast,easy to do it in Lisburn were there is not a housing crisis

If it's easy to do, why the need for Martina Anderson to oppose it?

because its not what is required

Why not?
Is there not 22 people on the waiting list in Lisburn?

then build the 22 houses if that is what is needed but i work in Lisburn and the place is full of unfinished building sites that the work has stopped on why dont they buy them of the developers and finish the 22 they need instead of pretending that building a shared housing estate will solve all our problems,as i have already said ask the people who moved from west Belfast to stoneyford if it works.

The article states that they are being bought from a developer! They're doing exactly what you're proposing!

yeah but just move in the 22 families on the waiting list irrespective of what religion they are, and forget all this nonsence that things will be great when we all live in shared estates,it will be great to live in that estate in Lisburn as long as you are prepared to listen to the Lisburn defenders flute band 5 times a year and collect for the boney in July.We need houses built for the people that need them in the areas that they need them end off.

[carribbear]

Far too early to start on about mixed housing.

[Maguire01]

Far too early to start on about mixed housing.

So what, another generation of segregation will make things better?
There are mixed areas all across NI already. It's only the social housing that has been segregated. And nobody will be forced into a mixed housing development against their will - it's an opt-in scheme.

[carribbear]

Far too early to start on about mixed housing.

So what, another generation of segregation will make things better?
There are mixed areas all across NI already. It's only the social housing that has been segregated. And nobody will be forced into a mixed housing development against their will - it's an opt-in scheme.

You'd be at home i'm sure.