The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

[Norf Tyrone]

Nando is back for Sunday

For how long?

Norf - catch a grip sir.

Am I wrong?

[ross4life]

Come on Loaislad get with it!

http://twitter.com/#search?q=lfc

Big game alright against the Bitters.  Kuyt out for a month at least with the ankle, game Sunday would have suited him down to the ground.  Good news is that Torres is passed fit ( however long that lasts!).  On present form would take a draw but in fairness a win is badly needed.  With the club changing hands tomorrow (fingers crossed) it could give the whole club a much needed lift before the game.  Hopefully Lucas is in for Poulsen.

Never thought I'd hear that!!

Poulsen's form at international level is not much better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbxnT-0zAs&feature=player_embedded

Watch this pass to Nani last week

[Boycey]

Will the bad Yanks now get an injunction against the injunction against the injunction?

[muppet]

Miners dancing in the streets, scousers partying and celebrating............

Maggie Thatcher must be turning in her grave.

[Lecale2]

More developments over night. Hicks will play his last card at 1.00pm today.

He'll pay back RBS the £200m odd with a loan from Mill. He'll then sell to Mill next week and get a third of his initial investment back. He still losses £100m but he sees that as better than lossing £140m. God only knows what happens when Mill takes over.

[Joxer]

This thing is going to drag on and on and on. 


From BBC Sport:

Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks is attempting to hijack the sale of the club by offloading his stake in the Reds to US hedge fund Mill Financial.

The club were hopeful of ending the ownership saga on Friday by selling to North England Sports Ventures (NESV).

Hicks believes he can scupper those plans by selling to Mill, which assumed control of American businessman George Gillett's 50% stake in August.

It would then pay off the £237m debt owed to Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS).

NESV's £300m deal is being held up by restraining order issued by a court in Texas, which is set to resume its hearing at 1300 BST.

BBC Sports editor David Bond said: "They are still bound by the restraining order which hasn't been lifted because the Dallas court inexplicably adjourned overnight.

"The feeling is that this was done to buy Hicks time to get a deal with Mill Financial done and potentially transfer the [debt] this morning, which leaves NESV in a difficult position because if the RBS debt is paid off a lot of pressure to sell to John Henry goes off."

But on Friday, NESV owner Henry said on his Twitter feed: "We have a binding contract. Will fight Mill Hicks Gillett attempt to keep club today. Their last desperate attempt to entrench their regime."

More to follow.

[EC Unique]

Miners dancing in the streets, scousers partying and celebrating............

Maggie Thatcher must be turning in her grave.

When did she die? I missed that party!

[Geoff Tipps]

The injunction against the sale has been lifted. Hicks could be prepared to sell up to Mill. The next few hours are huge in the future of Liverpool.

[magpie seanie]

Nando is back for Sunday

For how long?

Norf - catch a grip sir.

Am I wrong?

No, not wrong at all. Different rules for different people.

[supersarsfields]

What rules Seanie?

[Joxer]

Tom Hicks and George Gillett have dropped their restraining order against Liverpool, but they are still fighting NESV's takeover.

[Lecale2]

Mill own the Washington Redskins.

[seafoid]

Shed no tears for Liverpool: our football needs deflating
Bill Shankly was wrong. This unimportant game is an insatiable monster. Financial collapse would get it back in perspective
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o   Martin Kettle
o   guardian.co.uk, Thursday 14 October 2010 21.00 BST
o   

There are things that matter. And then there are things one cares about. Sometimes the two coincide. In my own case the list of things that are both subjectively and objectively important includes family, a good education, and having a double-door American fridge with an ice-making machine.
On the other hand, there are also things that one cares about that do not ultimately matter as much as one sometimes imagines. This list includes things such as balsamic vinegar, foreign travel and the leadership of the Labour party. And then there are things that matter a lot, even though one does not care about them as much as one should – tackling the budget deficit, solving the Middle East problem and ironing my own shirts.
Finally, however, there are the things in the twilight zone about which one does not care and which don't matter either. At the top of this list, for me, is every single reality TV show ever devised. But somewhere close behind comes the ownership of Liverpool FC, followed by England's 2018 World Cup bid and, increasingly, by the precarious condition of English football in general.
Don't get this wrong. I'm a northern boy. I like football as well as gravy. I enjoy going to football matches. I have a season ticket. I'm loyal both to my birthright and to my adopted teams. I watch a lot of football on TV. I always at least scan the football news. I can speak fluent football if required. It's still the people's game. It's still the global game. Sometimes it is still the beautiful game.
But the truth is that English football has become an insatiable monster. And the truth is that we ought to face up to the fact, but have shied away from doing so. In the 1990s the culture bought the idea that we couldn't have too much football, and that it didn't matter how it was run as long as English football felt like the centre of the world. We lionised the players and thought lots more money in the game meant lots more satisfaction from it. Fatally, we also thought this was all really positive. In fact, football was too big. This wasn't living the dream. It was living the deception.

The parallels with what was happening in the financial sector at the same time and for many of the same reasons are absolutely unmissable. In some ways the processes were not even parallel, they were one and the same. The owners, the sponsors, the merchandisers – increasingly even the mercenary players and coaches – were more interested in the money, then leveraging the money into more money, than in the game, never mind the fans or the clubs.

No one regulated. No one objected. No one thought strategically. Stopping it was too difficult and too unpopular. We took the line of least resistance. Even the supporters, never great strategists, were more interested in today than tomorrow. If a billionaire bought their club they didn't boo, they cheered. They only objected when the money dried up
.
That's why it is hard to feel sympathy for Liverpool, whose survival hangs on court cases on both sides of the Atlantic this week. The current owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, bought Liverpool in 2007 so they could borrow massive amounts of money against the club. They were not interested in football but wealth. It should have been stopped. Inevitably it wasn't. Now Liverpool are loaded with millions of pounds of extra debt that no one wants. But neither Hicks and Gillett nor Liverpool were unique in the deal they struck. Leeds, Portsmouth, Newcastle and West Ham have all been tempted down similarly ruinous paths. Even Manchester United are not wholly safe. There but for fortune go many other Premier League clubs too. Fortunes made and lost, the money is now heading elsewhere in Europe, leaving England's wrecks behind.

If it is Liverpool's fate to be the Lehman Brothers of the Premier League, then that is hard luck on them. But so be it. Shed no tears. A football club is not a bank. Lives do not depend on its existence, and no amount of anguish in the streets around Anfield can make it so. Governments have no obligations here. No football club is too big to fail, especially when, on the contrary, English football is too big not to fail. The moral hazard on which so much English football has partied for so long has to end somehow. The football authorities, so-called, are unwilling and incapable. If only a collapse will do, then bring it on.
Football is a game. Football is entertainment. Yes, it's a really good game. Yes, it's exciting entertainment. Yes, it is hugely enjoyable – or can be – to follow your own team through thick and thin. But that's all. Football is not more than that. It's not the reason we exist. It's not a way of life. It's not even a religion, except inasmuch as it is a comforting delusion. Football doesn't prove anything at all about anything. It certainly does not validate the worth of the disturbingly large number of people, still almost all male, who appear to think that it does. Great footballers are nothing more than great footballers.
Liverpool are simply one club among many. Their self-absorbed glamour, their tough, storied past and the iconic splendour of Steven Gerrard should not distract from the club's collective responsibility. Don't blame the Texans – at least not just because they are Texans. Liverpool are just another club that got greedy, got careless and, blinded by the allure of quick success, got their priorities wrong. Even a quarter sensible club would have got together with Everton to build a shared stadium on the Mersey years ago. The fans haven't been betrayed. They have just been blind.
The idea that English football deserves the World Cup can only be the work of an ironist. A tournament whose early rounds were played exclusively in the grounds of bankrupt clubs and which climaxed in the awful, debt-crushed, windswept new Wembley stadium with its bumpy pitch would, perhaps, have a kind of macabre metaphorical attraction. But the sight of David Cameron hosting Sepp Blatter and his fellow international football bigwigs at Downing Street this week in pursuit of the awful 2018 bid made the heart sink. Cameron has a country to run. He shouldn't follow New Labour down this demeaning route. There are no votes in football.
Get real about English football. It is a god that failed. Stop worshipping it. It is the reflection of the unbalanced, short-termist hedonism of the financial boom era. Bill Shankly was wrong. Football isn't more important than life or death. It is infinitely less important. Enjoy it and get it back in perspective.

[Norf Tyrone]

What rules Seanie?

The rule that says "Death threats against people are wrong". Rule does not need to be adhered to if you are a 'fan' of Liverpool, but they have every right to condemn other 'fans' for the same.

[King Henry]

Death threats Norf! Really!!