The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - RIP Diogo

Started by Gabriel_Hurl, February 05, 2009, 03:47:16 PM

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Captain Obvious

One win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.




J70

Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





What was the intake from outgoing players?

What was the outlay the previous summer?

How does the death of Jota feature in your smug statistics?

laoislad

Don't mind him J70 he's a gobshite.

Sure anyway you can't be a poor defending Champion without first being a Champion 😂

Nordie Tayto is shite

Captain Obvious

Quote from: J70 on Today at 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





What was the intake from outgoing players?

What was the outlay the previous summer?

How does the death of Jota feature in your smug statistics?

Smug? Those statistics speak for themselves and no real excuses can explain them, furthermore lucky to have as many as 39 points right now given those first five games of the season.

As for the Craig Houlden lookalike and wannabe calling me a gobshite oh the irony ;D

RedHand88

Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





Sold 8 and 1 died in tragic circumstances.

Think before you start typing drivel.

Blowitupref

As a defending champion the previous time Liverpool also had their struggle under Klopp the following season. Remember this set of results?



After that run Liverpool won 8 drew 2 of their remaining 10 games to finish 3rd, any similar kick in them right now or will they put a bigger focus on the Champions League?
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

laoislad

You're better off not replying Redhand. I don't know much about the poster as I don't remember him from when I was here before but he seems a bit strange from the odd post I see.
I usually just skip past his posts at this stage.

Nordie Tayto is shite

J70

Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on Today at 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





What was the intake from outgoing players?

What was the outlay the previous summer?

How does the death of Jota feature in your smug statistics?

Smug? Those statistics speak for themselves and no real excuses can explain them, furthermore lucky to have as many as 39 points right now given those first five games of the season.

As for the Craig Houlden lookalike and wannabe calling me a gobshite oh the irony ;D

We're all aware of the Liverpool transfer window activity both last summer and before.

And there's plenty of explanation annd blame to discuss if you're REALLY interested, as opposed to looking to get a dig in.

Armamike

Quote from: J70 on Today at 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





What was the intake from outgoing players?

What was the outlay the previous summer?

How does the death of Jota feature in your smug statistics?

As most Liverpool fans know, the issue isn't the signings and the money spent, but the number of players who were sold.  These players had a big role either as a starter or off the bench.  The squad just isn't strong enough at the moment.  Would expect that to change come the summer.
That's just, like your opinion man.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: J70 on Today at 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on Today at 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





What was the intake from outgoing players?

What was the outlay the previous summer?

How does the death of Jota feature in your smug statistics?

Smug? Those statistics speak for themselves and no real excuses can explain them, furthermore lucky to have as many as 39 points right now given those first five games of the season.

As for the Craig Houlden lookalike and wannabe calling me a gobshite oh the irony ;D

We're all aware of the Liverpool transfer window activity both last summer and before.

And there's plenty of explanation annd blame to discuss if you're REALLY interested, as opposed to looking to get a dig in.

Should also be aware this is reality of the situation Liverpool find themselves in than any dig.

If I were a Liverpool supporter and looking to play the blame game then first question I'd ask is who is responsible for Mo Salah form to dip so badly.

Last season In the Premier League 29 goals and 18 assists to this season 4 goals and 5 assists. 

thewobbler

Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 03:02:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on Today at 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on Today at 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





What was the intake from outgoing players?

What was the outlay the previous summer?

How does the death of Jota feature in your smug statistics?

Smug? Those statistics speak for themselves and no real excuses can explain them, furthermore lucky to have as many as 39 points right now given those first five games of the season.

As for the Craig Houlden lookalike and wannabe calling me a gobshite oh the irony ;D

We're all aware of the Liverpool transfer window activity both last summer and before.

And there's plenty of explanation annd blame to discuss if you're REALLY interested, as opposed to looking to get a dig in.

Should also be aware this is reality of the situation Liverpool find themselves in than any dig.

If I were a Liverpool supporter and looking to play the blame game then first question I'd ask is who is responsible for Mo Salah form to dip so badly.

Last season In the Premier League 29 goals and 18 assists to this season 4 goals and 5 assists.

That's an easy one to answer.

Who is responsible? Liverpool's fan base.

Scouse have been an unusually well run club for the past 10-15 years, and one of the key tenets of this has been in separating the emotions of loyalty from the realities of squad management.

The "pay him what he wants" brigade spent last season in full flow, demanding that VDV and Salah not just stay, but become ridiculously well rewarded for doing so.

Is it any wonder that a self-centred 33 year old who has never remotely been a hardworking team player might be found out somewhat should the goals dry up? No. It's really not. It's a situation was always coming, but perhaps a year or two earlier than expected. But factor in that he's now guaranteed lavish amounts of money for the rest of his active career, whether he performs or not, and (with hindsight) this was all a little predictable.

I'd say the Liverpool board now quite openly regret rejecting the principles that made them so strong, and I doubt they'll allow this situation to happen again for a long, long time.

Fans rarely know best. They can't separate emotion from reality.

RedHand88

Mental that someone with 15, 16, 14 and 23 assists in the last 4 seasons isn't considered hardworking or "remotely a team player".

But no doubt thewobbler knows best.

thewobbler

Quote from: RedHand88 on Today at 03:34:20 PMMental that someone with 15, 16, 14 and 23 assists in the last 4 seasons isn't considered hardworking or "remotely a team player".

But no doubt thewobbler knows best.

It's incredible that you'll place your trust in stats over what you can see happening in front of you.

Salah is one of the best players in the PL history; a top tier goal scorer, a big game player, a clutch player.

I can objectively make this statement  whilst at the same time acknowledging that he was (is) a selfish player who rarely puts in a defensive shift. Why can't you?

J70

Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 03:02:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on Today at 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on Today at 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on Today at 11:48:30 AMOne win in seven league games in 2026, having played Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth, and Burnley in that time. 24 points from the last 20 games those numbers are unthinkable for a defending league champion who in the summer spent £446 million to sign seven new players, the highest outlay by a Premier League club in a single window.





What was the intake from outgoing players?

What was the outlay the previous summer?

How does the death of Jota feature in your smug statistics?

Smug? Those statistics speak for themselves and no real excuses can explain them, furthermore lucky to have as many as 39 points right now given those first five games of the season.

As for the Craig Houlden lookalike and wannabe calling me a gobshite oh the irony ;D

We're all aware of the Liverpool transfer window activity both last summer and before.

And there's plenty of explanation annd blame to discuss if you're REALLY interested, as opposed to looking to get a dig in.

Should also be aware this is reality of the situation Liverpool find themselves in than any dig.

If I were a Liverpool supporter and looking to play the blame game then first question I'd ask is who is responsible for Mo Salah form to dip so badly.

Last season In the Premier League 29 goals and 18 assists to this season 4 goals and 5 assists.

First, if you're not trying to get a dig in, why ignore the significant losses from a title-winning squad that occurred at the same time as the heavy spending, along with the complete lack of spending the previous year?

Liverpool aren't stockpiling players like Chelsea have been. They're not putting the finishing touches to an already formidable, gradually-assembled, squad like Arsenal have been. And if you want the best creative and goal-scoring players these days, you're paying 80+ million pounds, end of story. It's not like Liverpool are going to go out over the next couple of years and buy another 120 million striker. Isak, Wirtz and Ekitike were bought to be the creative focus of the team for the next 5 years.

There is tonnes of fair criticism coming the club's way from the fanbase for their failure to get the Guehi deal over the line. And to be fair to them, there weren't too many questioning Salah's two year extension last May after the season he had, his physical fitness and athleticism, and after the still fresh memories of C. Ronaldo and Messi, both performing well into their late 30s and beyond at international level. Yes, it was a risk, but no one could have forseen that his loss of effectiveness would be so acute so quickly. But it also has not occurred in a vacuum, given the necessary bedding in time for the new players unfamiliar with the league and the team, as well as the massive hole that the loss of Trent AA left in the team's creativity, particularly on the break.

J70

Quote from: Blowitupref on Today at 01:03:12 PMAs a defending champion the previous time Liverpool also had their struggle under Klopp the following season. Remember this set of results?



After that run Liverpool won 8 drew 2 of their remaining 10 games to finish 3rd, any similar kick in them right now or will they put a bigger focus on the Champions League?

I can't see it.

That year, Klopp toyed with the use of Henderson and Fabinho in defence, which put themselves in unfamiliar positions where teamwork and coordination is key, but also robbed the team of their significant effectiveness in midfield.

Once he he happened upon making Phillips and Williams the centre pairing and played the strongest players in their positions in the rest of the team, things went back to normal for the run-in and they started winning again.

This time out, while there are significant injuries across the squad, they're not focussed on one position and cannot be blamed for the overall struggles and inconsistency of the team. It's a transition season, end of story. Unless Chelsea struggle, I can't see Liverpool suddenly transforming and getting the 30-odd points they'll need to guarantee top five.

I could see them getting to a CL semi perhaps, with the right draw, but I think they're done once they meet someone like Arsenal, Bayern or City.