The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - RIP Diogo

[Minus15]

Corn, Kenny Archer does not make for good reading if you are a Liverpool fan. I have never read a balanced piece from him and now if I see his column and it is anything to do with Liverpool or united I know not to read it.

To be honest, you should have more sense than to bring all this up on here again. You are playing into United supporters hands and you are displaying bitterness just like Archer himself.

Man Utd won the league this year. Hopefully they won't next year who knows. Hopefully they don't win in Rome who knows.

The best thing to do is keep quiet. Talk about Liverpool, new signings, prospects for next year or whatever but don't let yourself be drawn into these pointless arguments. We know rafa didn't rant. We know fergie hasn't proven himself to be master of mind games again. at the end of the day man utd won more points over 38 games and until liverpool win man u fans win all the arguments. You won't be able to persuade anyone amy differently.

So if you agree with me why are you saying I am displaying bitterness?

All i agree with you on is that rafa did not lose it and that fergie is not the master. I don't agree with your preoccupation with quotes and statistics and arguments over and over again. We all have our opinions but restating them again and again won't help. Whilst you may not be bitter, your need to counteract everything with more arguments makes it look like you are. You just need to let it go. Just because other people don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to convert them. Football's all about opinions but best thing to do is not let those that you don't agree with get to you.

This is a discussion board isn't it? The whole point of it is discussing and debating.

So what, if someone makes stupid claims on here I am not allowed to argue them back?

Opinions on a message board are not going to "get to me" nor am I trying to "convert" people, but I certainly feel I have the right to raise a point and will continue to do so if I disagree with what they say.

Yes you have a right to express opinions on a discussion board, and by all means continue, not that you need invitation. The thing about a lot of Man U fans, while some of what you say is correct, they are incapable of reasoning with you so you are just wasting your time. The majority on this thread are here to wind up the liverpool fans. I wouldn't waste my time trying to reason with Man U fans. Gave up on the majority of them years ago.

[corn02]

Corn, Kenny Archer does not make for good reading if you are a Liverpool fan. I have never read a balanced piece from him and now if I see his column and it is anything to do with Liverpool or united I know not to read it.

To be honest, you should have more sense than to bring all this up on here again. You are playing into United supporters hands and you are displaying bitterness just like Archer himself.

Man Utd won the league this year. Hopefully they won't next year who knows. Hopefully they don't win in Rome who knows.

The best thing to do is keep quiet. Talk about Liverpool, new signings, prospects for next year or whatever but don't let yourself be drawn into these pointless arguments. We know rafa didn't rant. We know fergie hasn't proven himself to be master of mind games again. at the end of the day man utd won more points over 38 games and until liverpool win man u fans win all the arguments. You won't be able to persuade anyone amy differently.

So if you agree with me why are you saying I am displaying bitterness?

All i agree with you on is that rafa did not lose it and that fergie is not the master. I don't agree with your preoccupation with quotes and statistics and arguments over and over again. We all have our opinions but restating them again and again won't help. Whilst you may not be bitter, your need to counteract everything with more arguments makes it look like you are. You just need to let it go. Just because other people don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to convert them. Football's all about opinions but best thing to do is not let those that you don't agree with get to you.

This is a discussion board isn't it? The whole point of it is discussing and debating.

So what, if someone makes stupid claims on here I am not allowed to argue them back?

Opinions on a message board are not going to "get to me" nor am I trying to "convert" people, but I certainly feel I have the right to raise a point and will continue to do so if I disagree with what they say.

Yes you have a right to express opinions on a discussion board, and by all means continue, not that you need invitation. The thing about a lot of Man U fans, while some of what you say is correct, they are incapable of reasoning with you so you are just wasting your time. The majority on this thread are here to wind up the liverpool fans. I wouldn't waste my time trying to reason with Man U fans. Gave up on the majority of them years ago.

Fair enough lad, point taken. I suppose it was missoned acomplished by them regarding me.

Not that you need invitation? You know me lad, wouldnt argue with a thing. 

[Minus15]

Just looking out for you lad! Maybe I should heed my own advice and quit arguing with you! Bet the Mancs are loving that!

[EC Unique]

It was not really an 'effort' Minder just thought it was amusing. Yes indeed Mr Mourinho did get the better of Utd on a few occasions in the silverware department and then Fergie worked out how to get over that hurdle. And Mr Mourinho gets his P45.

Rafa is the source of great amusement to non-Liverpool fans and in particular Utd fans. This is why I am so glad to see him stay and also why this year's title is that bit sweeter. f**k it must be frustrating to be a Liverpool fan....

EC you are symptomatic of far too many United fans I find. Absolutely clueless and utterly incapable of putting an argument forward without outrageous bias. Sadly typical of the johnny come lately soccer fan of the Sky generation.

Nail on the head Galwaybayboy

Well thats me told then

I must leave now, cap in hand, and think about what I have done. How dare I question a Liverpool fan, I really have not got a clue    Is there a naughty corner for me to go to? If only I could be like the Liverpool fans on here and look at these things without 'outrageous bias' and accept things as they are.

Will you two superior beings aid me in my quest to see things in a different, more balanced way?

[Ping Pong Santa]

Clearly what Benetiz said wasn't a calm critique, it was a rambling diatribe which gave the impression of a deeply paranoid man. Now has Ferguson displayed similar traits at times over the years? Of course he has. I was embarassed to be a United supporter after the Portsmouth cup match last year. But this talk of someone organising fixtures in their office is just delusional.

I'm pretty sure that was meant tongue in cheek.

[Ping Pong Santa]

In fairness Corn I have to say when I read that article from Kenny Archer I certainly got an overall tone of bitterness off it. Although not to say that he doesn't make valid points he does.

Gallwaybayboy I imagine EC and other United fans like him are like a fella I know who texted me an awful obnoxious message the other day, no real need for it. Apologies for posting it and probably giving some Man U fans ammunition but I need someone to share my frustration at their arrogance!

Liverpool, Liverpool how did you fair?
Beat us twice but no trophy was there
Don't be bitter, don't have a moan,
Tune-in a week Wednesday and watch us in Rome
18 times and thats a fact
Champions league maybe back-to-back
I'll just say one thing, I am a scouse-hater
And you'll win f**k all with that fat Spanish waiter

[deiseach]

You can have a reasonable conversation with Man U fans - just not on the internet. Now Evertonians . . .

[Over the Bar]

The bit that takes the biscuit form me is where he states that Ferguson must be congratulated for "having pipped Liverpool to the title for the first time in his career".    lol   Don't write on an empty head Kenny! 


Is it his fault you a)totally misinterpreted or b) did not read the whole article?

He was on about the top two teams in England being involved in the Premiership title race for the first time since its conception. gain, not his fault if you were unable to pick up on this.

I neither misread, nor misinterpreted anything Corn.  His article was as equivalent to a drunken argument in a pub attempting to score worthless but crowd pleasing points that supporters of the downtrodden team attempt to conjure up to try to convince those who will listen "the only reason they won is because..." etc.

Absolute cringeworthy journalism and I'd say that if a journo who wouldnt come out an openly admit he was a united fan had written something simliar in 1984.

[GalwayBayBoy]

In an exclusive column for Liverpoolfc.tv the Daily Telegraph's Henry Winter pays tribute to Sami Hyypia's 10 year stay at Anfield.
views, Henry Winter


Even as a Finnish schoolboy growing up in a land where ice hockey and cross-country skiing dominated, Sami Hyypia's potential to be an outstanding footballer was spotted early.

In 1984, Hyypia was playing so well for the Under-10s of his local side, PaPe, that the club invited him to be a mascot on their Under-14s tour of Denmark. The nine-year-old so impressed them in training that he got a couple of games.

So when Liverpool fans think of Hyypia's strengths, such as the marvellous loyalty now being celebrated in 10 years at Anfield, they will also know that this is an idol shaped by his childhood. His father, Jouko, was a good coach at amateur level, and nurtured Sami's technique, placing an emphasis on touch and reading of the game, knowing that the stamina was being taken care of Sami's interest in cross-country skiing.

Those traits, the lung-power and intelligence, once saw Hyypia star in a season where PaPe's goal difference was plus 141 (142 goals scored, one conceded). They are qualities noticed at MyPa and Willem II that have since served Liverpool well. Hyypia did not enjoy the idea of gym-work as a kid back in Voikkaa, leaving others to go and bench-press all night, and for a centre-half he is not a 'big unit', to borrow a Steven Gerrard phrase. But he is so adept at spotting unfolding danger, nipping in ahead of a centre-forward to nick the ball. Anticipation is the name of Hyypia's game.

In keeping with a Liverpool tradition best embodied by Alan Hansen, Hyypia has a good touch for a centre-half, and his control of a speeding ball is impressive. Comparing any centre-half with Hansen is difficult because the Scot was so elegant in possession, but echoes of Hansen can be detected in Hyypia's game. The Finn is certainly confident in distribution, passing the ball accurately to his deep-lying midfielders like Javier Mascherano and Xabi Alonso, or clipping it wide for full-backs like Fabio Aurelio or Alvaro Arbeloa to use.

Hyypia does more than head, tackle and pass. He is a fine team player, a person who understands the importance of constant encouragement for his colleagues, particularly the younger ones. His voice demands – and commands - respect.

There has always been a determined streak to Hyypia, making him a natural leader for Liverpool until Steven Gerrard's emergence, and also for Finland where his example has inspired many schoolboys to follow his path into football rather than take up snow-bound activities. Such was Hyypia's determination to play football as a kid that he even played on 10 inches of snow, where the need to wear spikes rather than studs required a certain bravery in the tackle.

Reflecting Hyypia's selflessness was the moment when he passed the armband on to Gerrard. Everyone at Liverpool was impressed by the dignified way Hyypia accepted a decision that must have been painful for such a proud warrior. Yet he backed Gerrard, and has never given anything less than 100 per cent to Liverpool. Even when others moved ahead of him in the pecking order to be Jamie Carragher's sidekick, Hyypia has always been there for the manager if injury or suspension befell either Martin Skrtel or Daniel Agger.

When called upon, Hyypia has never let Liverpool down. A year ago, he looked to have been slowing up, and particularly vulnerable to opposition pace, but he seems to have adjusted his game, perhaps dropping deeper to reduce the space they have to run into behind him. This season, Hyypia has played well.

In a sport where loyalty is increasingly rare, where players can act as mercenaries and move quickly, chasing the money, Hyypia has been a great ambassador for football. He has settled well, contributed immeasurably to Liverpool's pursuit of trophies, and embraced the club philosophy. The tall Finn will always have a place in Liverpool hearts.

[Over the Bar]

Hyppia was one of the few diamonds in the bag of coal that was Liverpool in over the late 90's early 00's

[corn02]

The bit that takes the biscuit form me is where he states that Ferguson must be congratulated for "having pipped Liverpool to the title for the first time in his career".    lol   Don't write on an empty head Kenny! 


Is it his fault you a)totally misinterpreted or b) did not read the whole article?

He was on about the top two teams in England being involved in the Premiership title race for the first time since its conception. gain, not his fault if you were unable to pick up on this.

I neither misread, nor misinterpreted anything Corn.  His article was as equivalent to a drunken argument in a pub attempting to score worthless but crowd pleasing points that supporters of the downtrodden team attempt to conjure up to try to convince those who will listen "the only reason they won is because..." etc.

Absolute cringeworthy journalism and I'd say that if a journo who wouldnt come out an openly admit he was a united fan had written something simliar in 1984.

He made a point about it being the first time the supposed top two teams in England were in a title race, how long a wait it has been, yet you interpreted that as bitterness, surely a misinterpretation?

[corn02]

Hyppia was one of the few diamonds in the bag of coal that was Liverpool in over the late 90's early 00's

Hard to disagree with that actually. He played in a couple of the worst Liverpool teams in many a year. Ironically, probably the worst of the bunch provided him with a fitting reward in Instabul.

[Minder]

I thought Sami was finished a few years ago, the own goal against Everton a couple of year ago sticks in the mind, but he has performed very well when asked this year. One of his best performances was against United at The Theatre Of Dreams™ this year in the 1-4 travesty. He didnt know he was playing until about 20 mins before kick off and never gave Rooney or Ronaldo a kick. The ultimate pro.

[thebigfella]

The bit that takes the biscuit form me is where he states that Ferguson must be congratulated for "having pipped Liverpool to the title for the first time in his career".    lol   Don't write on an empty head Kenny! 


Is it his fault you a)totally misinterpreted or b) did not read the whole article?

He was on about the top two teams in England being involved in the Premiership title race for the first time since its conception. gain, not his fault if you were unable to pick up on this.

I neither misread, nor misinterpreted anything Corn.  His article was as equivalent to a drunken argument in a pub attempting to score worthless but crowd pleasing points that supporters of the downtrodden team attempt to conjure up to try to convince those who will listen "the only reason they won is because..." etc.

Absolute cringeworthy journalism and I'd say that if a journo who wouldnt come out an openly admit he was a united fan had written something simliar in 1984.

He made a point about it being the first time the supposed top two teams in England were in a title race, how long a wait it has been, yet you interpreted that as bitterness, surely a misinterpretation?

So his point is that all the other times don't count as Liverpool were sh1te and Fergie/Utd stuffed them? While I can't be bothered with whole analysis of what went wrong/should Rafa been more gracious/gloating crap, I do hate poor journalism.

It can't be interpreted in any other way as bitterness in my book. Also your argument that it's the first time the 2 top teams in England were in a title race doesnt really stand up either. Surely the top 2 teams last season were Utd and Chelsea? or the top 2 teams should be based on current/present success?

If it was based on the ego's of fans, then Newcastle would be top then. On that note I hope the toon army end up in the championship.

[supersub]

haha now that is bitterness (about the toon)