Mickey Harte joins the Irish News

[mountainboii]

But, the selection process is neither here nor there, it's the playing that is all that matters. And with a defeatist attitude like that, you may well be correct.

There's a difference between defeatism and realism 

[under the bar]

Who was it said "Defeat is acceptable"?


Oh yes, I remember now.  It was Nelson Mandela's chiropodist!

[tonesfirstandlast]

Micky will be forever remembered as one of the great GAA managers, he may be remembered for his Spiritualism, he may be remembered as an outstanding teacher but I don't think his journalism will last long in the memory.

[ziggysego]

As much as I'd love the GAA do more to promote the Railway Cup, I don't believe playing it before the AI Final is the answer. That honour goes to the Minors.

[Maguire01]

Why did he not see the hypocrisy in continually emphasising the fact that the players love playing in the Railway Cup, while at the same time dismissing another competition the players love taking part in, the IR series?

One is Gaelic Games, the other most definitely isn't. No hypocrisy. The players may well love shagging too, but not to be accommodated under the auspices of the GAA.

I think AFS's point is that if Mickey is happy to use the players' feelings to help justify the survival of one competition, he shouldn't disregard them in relation to another, just because he doesn't like the other. I have to agree.

[Maguire01]

As much as I'd love the GAA do more to promote the Railway Cup, I don't believe playing it before the AI Final is the answer. That honour goes to the Minors.

I agree. I also think that ruling out the AI finalists would only futher undermine the value of the competition. The Railway Cup should showacse the best players from each province and playing before the AI would not facilitate that.

[mountainboii]

Why did he not see the hypocrisy in continually emphasising the fact that the players love playing in the Railway Cup, while at the same time dismissing another competition the players love taking part in, the IR series?

One is Gaelic Games, the other most definitely isn't. No hypocrisy. The players may well love shagging too, but not to be accommodated under the auspices of the GAA.

I think AFS's point is that if Mickey is happy to use the players' feelings to help justify the survival of one competition, he shouldn't disregard them in relation to another, just because he doesn't like the other. I have to agree.

That's the gist of it alright Maguire. The players are talking shite when professing their fondness for the IR, but they're great lads when talking about how much they like playing in the Railway Cup. Very selective argument from Mickey.

[ardmhachaabu]

Micky will be forever remembered as one of the great GAA managers, he may be remembered for his Spiritualism, he may be remembered as an outstanding teacher but I don't think his journalism will last long in the memory.

To be regarded as a great manager, you have to have taken your county to back-to-back All Ireland Championship wins.  This is something Harte has failed to do so I don't see where the 'great' title comes from, why anyone in the world would think he would be remembered for his spiritualism, I have no idea.  Not hiding your beliefs and publicising what you actually do believe are different things completely.  Harte's teaching capabilities are only to be assessed by parents of pupils he has taught.

If we look at his Gaelic Football abilities in terms of how many medals he has, I wonder where he would be ranked?

[ONeill]

Micky will be forever remembered as one of the great GAA managers, he may be remembered for his Spiritualism, he may be remembered as an outstanding teacher but I don't think his journalism will last long in the memory.

To be regarded as a great manager, you have to have taken your county to back-to-back All Ireland Championship wins.  This is something Harte has failed to do so I don't see where the 'great' title comes from, why anyone in the world would think he would be remembered for his spiritualism, I have no idea.  Not hiding your beliefs and publicising what you actually do believe are different things completely.  Harte's teaching capabilities are only to be assessed by parents of pupils he has taught.

If we look at his Gaelic Football abilities in terms of how many medals he has, I wonder where he would be ranked?

Shit talk. So if Harte won the All-Irelands of 2003, 2005, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 you wouldn't consider him a great manager. Quit the tabloid talk.

[Redhandfan]

Micky will be forever remembered as one of the great GAA managers, he may be remembered for his Spiritualism, he may be remembered as an outstanding teacher but I don't think his journalism will last long in the memory.

To be regarded as a great manager, you have to have taken your county to back-to-back All Ireland Championship wins.  This is something Harte has failed to do so I don't see where the 'great' title comes from, why anyone in the world would think he would be remembered for his spiritualism, I have no idea.  Not hiding your beliefs and publicising what you actually do believe are different things completely.  Harte's teaching capabilities are only to be assessed by parents of pupils he has taught.

If we look at his Gaelic Football abilities in terms of how many medals he has, I wonder where he would be ranked?

Even by Armagh posting standards, that has to be one of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this Board

[under the bar]

If we look at his Gaelic Football abilities in terms of how many medals he has, I wonder where he would be ranked?

Considerably higher than any past, present or future one-hit-wonder from Armagh! 

[Maguire01]

To be regarded as a great manager, you have to have taken your county to back-to-back All Ireland Championship wins. 

That's balls. He will be remembered as a great manager, even if he wins nothing else with Tyrone. Before him, Tyrone had no All Irelands, now they have 3.

Using your logic, who are the great GAA managers?

[ardmhachaabu]

Micky will be forever remembered as one of the great GAA managers, he may be remembered for his Spiritualism, he may be remembered as an outstanding teacher but I don't think his journalism will last long in the memory.

To be regarded as a great manager, you have to have taken your county to back-to-back All Ireland Championship wins.  This is something Harte has failed to do so I don't see where the 'great' title comes from, why anyone in the world would think he would be remembered for his spiritualism, I have no idea.  Not hiding your beliefs and publicising what you actually do believe are different things completely.  Harte's teaching capabilities are only to be assessed by parents of pupils he has taught.

If we look at his Gaelic Football abilities in terms of how many medals he has, I wonder where he would be ranked?

Shit talk. So if Harte won the All-Irelands of 2003, 2005, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 you wouldn't consider him a great manager. Quit the tabloid talk.

It's not tabloid talk, have a titter of wit, will ya?

Name me one other manager who is described as great who didn't achieve back to back All Irelands.  That's the benchmark. Joe Kernan will be remembered for his achievements with Cross more than being manager in 2002.  I wouldn't describe Joe as a great manager either, incidentally.

Seriously, some Tyronies talk about Harte as if he were God Almighty.

Maguire, Micko springs to mind immediately.  He is someone who would deserve to be called 'great'.  Harte is a good manager in terms of what he has inspired Tyrone to achieve thus far.  If he does it again this year, he will deserve to be called a great manager.

[under the bar]

So a manager could win 10 all-ireland but if none were back to back then he's plainly not a great manager? 

No-one obviously understood the definition of "great" until you came along.  Thanks for clearing that up.

[ardmhachaabu]

So a manager could win 10 all-ireland but if none were back to back then he's plainly not a great manager? 

No-one obviously understood the definition of "great" until you came along.  Thanks for clearing that up.