Saving Africa's Witch Children

[illdecide]

If only you knew the half of what went on in places like that. My sister lived in South Africa for about 5 years and she told me that when the black males have HIV they believe that having sex with a child (as young as they can get even 2 year olds) cleanses them and gets rid of the HIV...WTF

[Gnevin]

To paraphrase Homer Simpson.
Religion ! The cause of and solution to all of life's problems .

[Hardy]

the fact that it is done in the name of christianity should bring some perspective to those who condemn muslims due to the zealots of their lot.

I was waiting for that. Next we'll be invited to desist from condemning it because the US is killing children in Iraq. For my part, I never condemned muslims. I condemned barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition and their incorporation in the laws of sovereign states.

As far as I'm concerned, the provision for stoning people (perpetrators or victims of crime) in sharia law, appalling child abuse in Nigeria and the bombing of civilians in Iraq (by both sides) are all roughly similar manifestations of barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition be they muslim-inspired, witchcraft-inspired or fundamentalist American christian-inspired. I reserve the right to condemn them all, collectively and separately, without having to argue about which is worse than the other.

[Over the Bar]

The difference being that most Christians will recoil at that show last night, won't try to justify or excuse it.

Wheras most Muslims will seek to justify a 13 yr old girl being stoned to death??   Thats a nice unprejudiced view!  Oswald Mosely is safe & well and living in Armagh!

[mylestheslasher]

If only you knew the half of what went on in places like that. My sister lived in South Africa for about 5 years and she told me that when the black males have HIV they believe that having sex with a child (as young as they can get even 2 year olds) cleanses them and gets rid of the HIV...WTF

Apparently this is true in some parts where the local witch doctor had to come up with a cure for aids and this is what they came up with. Sick. Parts of africa are frightfully backward and I am afraid we in the west have to take some responsibility for this as we have asset stripped many of these countries (Nigeria for example should be one of the worlds richest countries), allowed horrendous military governments to rule and have not done anything to ensure the wealth seeps down to the people - whether in the form of cash, education, infrastructure, jobs etc.

[Hereiam]

Minder u are missing my point. These parts of the world are still developing and it will take time for them to see the errors of there ways. I really do think that the world super powers are keeping major parts of Africa poor. If you imagine what the world ecomony would be like if these places started to become rich. As the man says there is not enough money to go around.

[Maiden1]

the fact that it is done in the name of christianity should bring some perspective to those who condemn muslims due to the zealots of their lot.

I was waiting for that. Next we'll be invited to desist from condemning it because the US is killing children in Iraq. For my part, I never condemned muslims. I condemned barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition and their incorporation in the laws of sovereign states.

As far as I'm concerned, the provision for stoning people (perpetrators or victims of crime) in sharia law, appalling child abuse in Nigeria and the bombing of civilians in Iraq (by both sides) are all roughly similar manifestations of barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition be they muslim-inspired, witchcraft-inspired or fundamentalist American christian-inspired. I reserve the right to condemn them all, collectively and separately, without having to argue about which is worse than the other.

I agree with you mostly after thinking about it some more.  Stoning a girl to death is wrong.  I objected to the fact that some people then used this to justify the invasion of Iraq and Afganistan.  I watched the program about the witches last night and it just made me think how f&*ked up the world is, there was 1 guy swinging a machete about waiting for the cameras to go and the little girl was just hanging onto someone's leg.  Perhaps if there was free trade in Africa and not the mountains of debt that they owe the west and can never pay back then a more educated civilised society could develop.

[nifan]

I was waiting for that. Next we'll be invited to desist from condemning it because the US is killing children in Iraq. For my part, I never condemned muslims. I condemned barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition and their incorporation in the laws of sovereign states.

As far as I'm concerned, the provision for stoning people (perpetrators or victims of crime) in sharia law, appalling child abuse in Nigeria and the bombing of civilians in Iraq (by both sides) are all roughly similar manifestations of barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition be they muslim-inspired, witchcraft-inspired or fundamentalist American christian-inspired. I reserve the right to condemn them all, collectively and separately, without having to argue about which is worse than the other.

Fair enough Hardy, though I was not specifically referring to you.
More so those who seem to ignore that the bible which they hold so dear contains instructions to stone people for numerous crimes (and other assorted punishments).

[maddog]

The difference being that most Christians will recoil at that show last night, won't try to justify or excuse it.

Wheras most Muslims will seek to justify a 13 yr old girl being stoned to death??   Thats a nice unprejudiced view!  Oswald Mosely is safe & well and living in Armagh!

Firstly i dont live in Armagh, secondly i live beside and work with plenty of muslims and i am taking the views that i hear as broadly representative bearing in mind all of them were born in the UK so in theory should represent the less extreme views, so im gagging to hear the more extreme ones.
I have heard the same old victim mentality bullshit about everything from Iraq Afganistan stoning beheading jihad mohammed the bear Danish cartoons etc etc. We dont understand, they feel a slight against a Muslim on the other side of the world justifies in some warped way action here.
Don't get me wrong if they want to be here work, pay tax and abide by the law of the land then fine. Maybe then there would be less time to be offended. I am talking about personal experience and is nothing to do with the illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And your jibe about Oswald Mosely - i have no issue with any race or creed, its about attitude, and if im getting an attitude that comes from one particular race or creed i have no problem putting a label to it. Pc or not.

[maddog]

I was waiting for that. Next we'll be invited to desist from condemning it because the US is killing children in Iraq. For my part, I never condemned muslims. I condemned barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition and their incorporation in the laws of sovereign states.

As far as I'm concerned, the provision for stoning people (perpetrators or victims of crime) in sharia law, appalling child abuse in Nigeria and the bombing of civilians in Iraq (by both sides) are all roughly similar manifestations of barbarity, evil, ignorance and superstition be they muslim-inspired, witchcraft-inspired or fundamentalist American christian-inspired. I reserve the right to condemn them all, collectively and separately, without having to argue about which is worse than the other.

Fair enough Hardy, though I was not specifically referring to you.
More so those who seem to ignore that the bible which they hold so dear contains instructions to stone people for numerous crimes (and other assorted punishments).

I think NIFAN the debate is drawing us towards the one common denominator in these problems - organised religion.

[Minder]

Im not sure if its just a matter of "educating" them,i saw a programme about the AIDS epidemic in Africa a few years ago. A western aid agency was in a village explaining to the men they had to rubber up if they were having sex,the men said they didnt like how it felt. the aid workers were as blunt as they could be and said "if you dont year a condom  you will die" yet they still wouldnt. . . . . And they died. Some people are not receptive to "education".

[Zapatista]

Great, another thread were we can voice our outrage and point fingers at those responsible. That will make us all feel better so we can return to ignoring it in peace again.

[Over the Bar]

Don't get me wrong if they want to be here work, pay tax and abide by the law of the land then fine. Maybe then there would be less time to be offended. I am talking about personal experience and is nothing to do with the illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And your jibe about Oswald Mosely - i have no issue with any race or creed, its about attitude, and if im getting an attitude that comes from one particular race or creed i have no problem putting a label to it. Pc or not. 

To dislike an individual because of their race is bigotry.
To collectively associate entire race with the unacceptable behaviours of a few is prejudice.
To consider your own race superior to another is racism.

I think your attitude ticks all three boxes.  Well done.

[Minder]

I know what Maddog is talking about and i remember there was a thread on this a few months back. I think O Neill put it quite well in that thread,something along the lines of in his experience blacks he met were lazy.sneaky,devious. In this day and age it is deemed wrong to have an opinion if it isnt pc. Obviously not every person of a particular race behaves in the same way but you can only call it from your own experiences,unpalatable as that may be to some.

[full back]

I think O Neill put it quite well in that thread,something along the lines of in his experience blacks he met were lazy.sneaky,devious. In this day and age it is deemed wrong to have an opinion if it isnt pc.

Someone said this in the thread about travellers (think it may have been LL ) and a few posters were up in arms about it