Internment Bonfires....our culture... really?

[Hardy]

The police would have wide public support. No one wants scumbags to feel that they can have this level of control over the communities. Giving them the by ball year in year out develops a sense of power within them. 

I was wondering whether the traditional "community activists" have any influence left at all? We see Gerry Kelly commendably able to keep a rein on lads looking for trouble at the orange march. Just wondering where this level of influence stops.


Edit: Jeepers' post begins to paint a picture.

[michaelg]

If any doubt about the type of vermin associated with these 'internment bonfires' have a look at some highlights from last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowZ3hU-UC8

These people are not Republicans, Nationalist, they aren't even Irish. Just cretins wearing Celtic jerseys (I'm sure Celtic FC are delighted to have their club dragged through the mud by this element that attaches themselves to them). Absolute hood scum that torture our communities day and daily. None of them could tell you what internment was, they can't even spell it going by the scrawl on a wall at Divis.
Burning anyone's emblem is the lowest of the low.
Years ago, I'm talking late 1980s, these things were commonplace, as was painting kerbs etc. Due to people in areas with a bit of respect from themselves and their country,all this was stopped and today you have  Feile an Phobail where people put their energies to good use, do something positive.
Unfortunately, this underclass or glue fuelled morons don't like that. In fact, they detest anyone making an effort or a positive contribution to society.
While they were all gathered in one place last night, they ought to have been rounded up and locked under the bloody jail. Society would be a better place without these retards.

Great idea - Intern people commemorating victims of internment.

[glens abu]

Any sensible person able to answer the (genuine) question? I'm not intimately familiar with the situation on the streets of Belfast. I presume the absence of the traditional deterrents for antisocial behaviour means the young hoods are out of control?

Before you print nonsense you would be better to inform yourself of the situation on the streets of Belfast,there is no absence of traditional deterrents any longer.Police police everywhere.

Shoo. I'm discussing this with the sensible people now.

;Dthats the best way for you to discuss,just listen and say nothing

[Jim_Murphy_74]

Read in the paper that coppers were attacked with a sword at an internment bonfire last night.

What's with Nordies ans swords?

/Jim

[optimus cheese]

If any doubt about the type of vermin associated with these 'internment bonfires' have a look at some highlights from last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowZ3hU-UC8

These people are not Republicans, Nationalist, they aren't even Irish. Just cretins wearing Celtic jerseys (I'm sure Celtic FC are delighted to have their club dragged through the mud by this element that attaches themselves to them). Absolute hood scum that torture our communities day and daily. None of them could tell you what internment was, they can't even spell it going by the scrawl on a wall at Divis.
Burning anyone's emblem is the lowest of the low.
Years ago, I'm talking late 1980s, these things were commonplace, as was painting kerbs etc. Due to people in areas with a bit of respect from themselves and their country,all this was stopped and today you have  Feile an Phobail where people put their energies to good use, do something positive.
Unfortunately, this underclass or glue fuelled morons don't like that. In fact, they detest anyone making an effort or a positive contribution to society.
While they were all gathered in one place last night, they ought to have been rounded up and locked under the bloody jail. Society would be a better place without these retards.

Great idea - Intern people commemorating victims of internment.

Arrest them then for theft (pallets), incitement to hatred (burning flags), street drinking, vandalism, drunk and disorderly, car crime (as we can see in the video), drug taking and or dealing. Want me to go on?

[armaghniac]

Arrest them then for theft (pallets), incitement to hatred (burning flags), street drinking, vandalism, drunk and disorderly, car crime (as we can see in the video), drug taking and or dealing. Want me to go on?

The point is that they cannot really do this to these spides, as the other lot in July were allowed do all these things without being arrested. It is the broken window syndrome, if you see someone smashing a window without consequences then if you are a hooligan you have a go yourself.

[optimus cheese]

Arrest them then for theft (pallets), incitement to hatred (burning flags), street drinking, vandalism, drunk and disorderly, car crime (as we can see in the video), drug taking and or dealing. Want me to go on?

The point is that they cannot really do this to these spides, as the other lot in July were allowed do all these things without being arrested. It is the broken window syndrome, if you see someone smashing a window without consequences then if you are a hooligan you have a go yourself.

I agree with this. Monkey see, monkey do approach to life. Whataboutery personified. Still, everyone knows these hooding little slugs for what they are and how they have tortured the lower falls community for years now unchecked. Why not take the opportunity to get them off the streets? If loyalists do this too then so what? It's part of their culture after all....... Point of this thread no?

[Chief Whip]

Sorry Nally but i have travelled a fair bit round the world and believe it or not there are other news stations than the bbc and utv and they show the riots and the bonfires and the usual shite that happens, so the rest of the world do see what goes on round here

Absolute drivel onion bag. Completely with Nally on this one. I have been in Australia for two years now and lived in New York for six months; both flag bearers of the Western world. I watch the news regularly and not once in my time have I seen or heard mention of these happenings in the North. Do you really think the likes of this is of any significance to the rest of the world?

[lawnseed]

This country is a shite hole! the whole world must be having a right laugh!

You're falling into the mindset of loyalism, which thinks Ulster is the centre of the universe and that the whole world is watching it on the news daily. The "whole world" doesn't know what happens here, let alone give two fiddlers. 200 people could be killed in Syria in one day, but if a stone is thrown in Belfast, UTV/BBCNI will talk on and on about "the images of Belfast being beamed around the world tonight". Laughable!

headline news on rte was a rise in the price of gas, riots were third story think nallys right

[Count 10]

Send a few drones in

[Wildweasel74]

I think u wrong that the story does not be on channels in other countries, Spanish friends who worked in belfast has been txting me , whats going on? as it is on Spanish TV channels in the north west of spain

[lfdown2]

Sorry Nally but i have travelled a fair bit round the world and believe it or not there are other news stations than the bbc and utv and they show the riots and the bonfires and the usual shite that happens, so the rest of the world do see what goes on round here

Absolute drivel onion bag. Completely with Nally on this one. I have been in Australia for two years now and lived in New York for six months; both flag bearers of the Western world. I watch the news regularly and not once in my time have I seen or heard mention of these happenings in the North. Do you really think the likes of this is of any significance to the rest of the world?

So far this year:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/scores-injured-in-belfast-clashes-20130810-2roud.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/mp-knocked-out-during-belfast-riot-20130713-2pwq8.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/trouble-flares-again-in-belfast-20130714-2pxqg.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/clashes-over-flag-rip-belfast-apart-as-more-talks-planned-20130113-2cnjh.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/belfast-flag-dispute-escalates-into-a-bigger-movement-20130107-2ccuj.html

[Nally Stand]

Ffs lads of course you will find news reports if you sit on Google looking specifically for them! How many people around the world sit on Google trying to get the latest update on what some semi-literate spides have been up to in Belfast? Sure, you will occasionally see the odd news snippet, but it is just delusional in the extreme to think, as unionists/loyalists and bbcni do, that people right around the world give one fiddlers about billy and Sammy standing by themselves on a traffic Island with a fleg in hand or about a few stones being thrown. "Images being beamed around the world of Belfast tonight"...horseshit. The world neither knows nor cares. And despite what bbcni might have you believe, this plastic state is not the very centre of said world.

[imtommygunn]

There's a difference between standing with a flag and full scale rioting with police. People are watching this. This impacts businesses from other countries coming into NI and if you talk to people in places like InvestNI about the protests / riots in December etc you will find NI lost business. To lose business people had to be watching.

No one cares about a bunch of plonkers and their flags at traffic islands but rioting on the other hand they do. The BBC NI etc may be a little deluded in how significant we are across the globe however we're not as insignificant as you might think either.  It impacts small businesses here, potential investors coming in, tourism and I'm sure many other things. It does matter.