Gaa ranking system

Our Nail Loney · July 15, 2008, 01:46:25 PM

Keep hearing about this system of hounds, anyone got a link to it??

armaghniac · July 15, 2008, 03:20:55 PM

This was probably the last one?? 2006

http://gaadiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/608/t/GAA-Rankings.html?page=1

1 (2) Kerry 926
2 (1) Tyrone 713
3 (3) Armagh 671
4 (4) Mayo 668
5 (5) Dublin 593
6 (6) Laois 575
7 (10) Cork 519
8 (11) Donegal 499
9 (9) Fermanagh 464
10 (8 ) Derry 463
11 (7) Galway 452
12 (19) Westmeath 410
13 (22) Offaly 402
14 (17) Meath 387
15 (14) Wexford 384
16 (16) Down 371
17 (13) Limerick 362
18 (23) Longford 357
19 (15) Monaghan 356
20 (20) Sligo 352
21 (12) Cavan 339
22 (21) Kildare 337
23 (24) Louth 335
24 (18 ) Roscommon 311
25 (26) Clare 264
26 (25) Leitrim 259
27 (27) Carlow 239
28 (29) Tipperary 216
29 (28 ) Antrim 198
30 (30) Wicklow 146
31 (31) Waterford 89
32 (32) London 56
33 (33) New York 17

I expect Kerry are well out ahead in no 1, Dublin have moved up, to second or third, Armagh have dropped a few places and Laois have left the top 10. Note that Fermanagh were above Derry at that point and are formidable opponents in the Ulster final!

Our Nail Loney · July 15, 2008, 03:25:47 PM

Whats that other discussion board, when was it in use?

armaghniac · July 15, 2008, 03:36:36 PM

QuoteWhats that other discussion board, when was it in use?

Gaaboard is like Dr Who, it regenerates from time to time. Don't be showing how wet behind the ears you are!!

Uladh · July 15, 2008, 03:41:02 PM

Some of you may have seen from the 15 All Irelands thread that I've resurrected my GAA Rankings list. Well I'm finally up to date, so here goes. Remember these are based on results in league and championship for the last 5 years.

Leinster
1 Dublin
2 Laois
3 Westmeath
4 Offaly
5 Meath
6 Wexford
7 Longford
8 Kildare
9 Louth
10 Carlow
11 Wicklow

Munster
1 Kerry
2 Cork
3 Limerick
4 Clare
5 Tipperary
6 Waterford

Connacht
1 Mayo
2 Galway
3 Sligo
4 Roscommon
5 Leitrim

Ulster
1 Tyrone
2 Armagh
3 Donegal
4 Fermanagh
5 Derry
6 Down
7 Monaghan
8 Cavan
9 Antrim

IRELAND
(position ofter Championship 2005 in brackets)
1 (2) Kerry 926
2 (1) Tyrone 713
3 (3) Armagh 671
4 (4) Mayo 668
5 (5) Dublin 593
6 (6) Laois 575
7 (10) Cork 519
8 (11) Donegal 499
9 (9) Fermanagh 464
10 (8 ) Derry 463
11 (7) Galway 452
12 (19) Westmeath 410
13 (22) Offaly 402
14 (17) Meath 387
15 (14) Wexford 384
16 (16) Down 371
17 (13) Limerick 362
18 (23) Longford 357
19 (15) Monaghan 356
20 (20) Sligo 352
21 (12) Cavan 339
22 (21) Kildare 337
23 (24) Louth 335
24 (18 ) Roscommon 311
25 (26) Clare 264
26 (25) Leitrim 259
27 (27) Carlow 239
28 (29) Tipperary 216
29 (28 ) Antrim 198
30 (30) Wicklow 146
31 (31) Waterford 89
32 (32) London 56
33 (33) New York 17

Uladh · July 15, 2008, 04:01:47 PM

My unfounded and unscientific assessment of how things stand at the minute -

1 Kerry
2 Dublin
3 Cork
4 Galway
5 Armagh
6 Tyrone
7 Mayo
8 Derry
9 Meath
10 Westmeath
11 Fermanagh
12 Monaghan
13 Wexford
14 Donegal
15 Down
16 Limerick
17 Louth
18 Laois
19 Cavan
13 Offaly
20 Longford
21 Wicklow
22 Sligo
23 Kildare
24 Leitrim
25 Tipperary
26 Antrim
27 Roscommon
28 Waterford
29 Clare
30 Carlow
32 London
33 New York
34 Kilkenny

full back · July 15, 2008, 04:06:13 PM

Not a million miles away uladh IMHO - but I wouldnt have Galway as high

Mentalman · July 15, 2008, 04:50:19 PM

Not bad. Think we said it here before there's a good wedge of teams in the middle there who there's much of a muchness between.

The Real Laoislad · July 15, 2008, 04:59:11 PM

Quote from: Uladh on July 15, 2008, 04:01:47 PM

My unfounded and unscientific assessment of how things stand at the minute -

1 Kerry
2 Dublin
3 Cork
4 Galway
5 Armagh
6 Tyrone
7 Mayo
8 Derry
9 Meath
10 Westmeath
11 Fermanagh
12 Monaghan
13 Wexford
14 Donegal
15 Down
16 Limerick
17 Louth
18 Laois
19 Cavan
13 Offaly
20 Longford
21 Wicklow
22 Sligo
23 Kildare
24 Leitrim
25 Tipperary
26 Antrim
27 Roscommon
28 Waterford
29 Clare
30 Carlow
32 London
33 New York
34 Kilkenny

There is no doubt Laois have fallen way behind but having Louth and Limerick ahead of them..

Our Nail Loney · July 15, 2008, 05:38:30 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on July 15, 2008, 03:36:36 PM
QuoteWhats that other discussion board, when was it in use?

Gaaboard is like Dr Who, it regenerates from time to time. Don't be showing how wet behind the ears you are!!

Can't help only being a young pup

Ball Hopper · July 16, 2008, 06:41:49 AM

Here'e the way I have it from 2005 to present:

Scoring method: Div 1A and 1B (Div 1 and 2 in 2008) get 2 points for each league point, other divs get 1 point per league point, 2 points for losing league semi-final, 4 for losing league final and 5 for winning league (note no semi-finals in 2008). 3 points for each championship win, 5 points for provincial win, 2 points per qualifier win, 5 for AI Quarter Final win, 7 for AI Semi-Final win, and 10 for taking Sam home.

Weightings: Add one quarter of 2005 points to one half of 2006 points to all of 2007 points to all of 2008 league points.

1   Kerry   109.25
2   Dublin   76.50
3   Mayo   70.25
4   Donegal   68.50
5   Derry   68.00
6   Galway   67.25
7   Cork   64.00
8   Tyrone   62.00
9   Meath   53.50
10   W'meath   51.00
11   Armagh   49.50
12   Monaghan   49.25
13   Laois   48.50
14   Kildare   44.50
15   Wexford   43.00
16   Offaly   39.75
17   Louth   33.75
18   Fermanagh   32.00
19   Sligo   27.50
20   Down   27.00
21   Longford   25.25
22   Cavan   25.25
23   Rossies   24.75
24   Tipperary   23.00
25   Leitrim   21.50
26   Limerick   20.50
27   Clare   20.50
28   Antrim   19.00
29   Waterford   17.50
30   Wicklow   16.25
31   Carlow   15.75
32   London   2.00

Armagh ranking in 11th is the shocker, until we remember that 2007 produced no championship points (lost Ulster qf and lost first qualifier game).

Based on this seeding, a Champions League type competition would have the following groupings:

1 Kerry, London, Offaly, Louth
2 Dublin, Carlow, Wexford, Fermanagh

3 Mayo, Wicklow, Kildare, Sligo
4 Donegal, Waterford, Laois, Down

5 Derry, Antrim, Monaghan, Longford
6 Galway, Clare, Armagh, Cavan

7 Cork, Limerick, Westmeath, Roscommon
8 Tyrone, Leitrim, Meath, Tipperary

If form holds (not gonna happen most years) for 2008, the quarter final match ups would be Kerry/Tyrone, Dublin/Cork, Mayo/Galway, and Donegal/Derry. Armagh (in Galway's group) and Monaghan (in Derry's group) best positioned to upset the applecart. Tasty set of games there.

Group games must be played to a result...no draws allowed. London should have a preliminary round with Kilkenny and New York to establish team 32 if all three enter. All group games from June 15 to July 15. AI QF's in early Aug just like now. Yellow and red cards cumulative up to QF...reset for AI semi-finals.

Tell me what to do with the provincial championships...maybe have each province play a round robin type thing over consecutive weekends from late April to mid-May and do away with the existing league altogether?

Well?

bh

Down Gael · July 17, 2008, 08:37:09 PM

Uladhs list isnt that far away, though I would move Laois ahead of Down and maybe drop Galway down a couple of places.

stevecw · July 17, 2008, 09:48:21 PM

Quote from: Uladh on July 15, 2008, 04:01:47 PM

My unfounded and unscientific assessment of how things stand at the minute -

1 Kerry
2 Dublin
3 Cork
4 Galway
5 Armagh
6 Tyrone
7 Mayo
8 Derry
9 Meath
10 Westmeath
11 Fermanagh
12 Monaghan
13 Wexford
14 Donegal
15 Down
16 Limerick
17 Louth
18 Laois
19 Cavan
13 Offaly
20 Longford
21 Wicklow
22 Sligo
23 Kildare
24 Leitrim
25 Tipperary
26 Antrim
27 Roscommon
28 Waterford
29 Clare
30 Carlow
32 London
33 New York
34 Kilkenny

Good effort, cant argue with much there.

Maybe Louth should drop a couple of places, Galway too. Would def have Armagh in top 4, maybe Galway 5th or 6th is grand.
Laois & maybe Cavan too should be ahead of Louth. But apart from that, its pretty much how id see things as they stand now.
Good job Uladh!

armaghniac · July 17, 2008, 10:14:35 PM

As I recall, the strength of Hound's system was that his points were weighted by the calibre of the team you beat. So if you beat a top team then you got more than beating a lowly ranked team. In this approach Fermanagh beating Monaghan and Derry would be worth more than Galway beating Roscommon and Leitrim. The most you can say about Armagh being beaten by Donegal and Derry in 2007 is that they should be below Donegal and Derry, themselves top 8 teams.

J70 · July 17, 2008, 11:42:03 PM

Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 15, 2008, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Uladh on July 15, 2008, 04:01:47 PM

My unfounded and unscientific assessment of how things stand at the minute -

1 Kerry
2 Dublin
3 Cork
4 Galway
5 Armagh
6 Tyrone
7 Mayo
8 Derry
9 Meath
10 Westmeath
11 Fermanagh
12 Monaghan
13 Wexford
14 Donegal
15 Down
16 Limerick
17 Louth
18 Laois
19 Cavan
13 Offaly
20 Longford
21 Wicklow
22 Sligo
23 Kildare
24 Leitrim
25 Tipperary
26 Antrim
27 Roscommon
28 Waterford
29 Clare
30 Carlow
32 London
33 New York
34 Kilkenny

There is no doubt Laois have fallen way behind but having Louth and Limerick ahead of them..

And Westmeath four spots above Donegal?

Its not a year since we played them off the park down in Mullingar in the qualifiers. Yes, I know they've improved, but ahead of Fermanagh, Monaghan, Wexford and ourselves?

But the next few weeks will tell all!

...either way...