Rule changes for hurling

[EoinW]

Taking time keeping away from the ref would have seen Cork win the 2013 All Ireland. Brian Gavin kept playing until Clare equalised. 

I remember it well.  Quite a point too!  I also remember Cork getting just enough time to tie the game in the Munster Final this year.  The hooter would eliminate such controversies.  That's the best reason for it.

[EoinW]

I like the hooter as teams will know exactly when the game ends.  It takes pressure off the referee.

Has hurling ever had indirect frees?  There's quite a few judgement calls when teams are fighting for possession.  I hate it when those borderline calls lead to an easy point.  Is it unreasonable to suggest making possession calls indirect frees?

Also wondering: has hurling always had one designated free taker on each team?  In basketball, the player fouled takes the free.

Not complaining as hurling is in great shape.  I do find that scores come too easily at times.  Might be more interesting to make 30+ games a rarity, rather than the norm.

I can't see the folks at Croke Park going along with your lets make a game with less scoring cause that's what the people want idea.

I agree because it's not just GAA.  Every sport has this idea that record scoring is a great way to sell the game.  Thus we're seeing it in just about every sport.

Just to clarify, it may or may not be what the people want(sports fans have diversified tastes) however it is what AUTHORITY wants.  Just ask the FRC.

[Milltown Row2]

I like the hooter as teams will know exactly when the game ends.  It takes pressure off the referee.

Has hurling ever had indirect frees?  There's quite a few judgement calls when teams are fighting for possession.  I hate it when those borderline calls lead to an easy point.  Is it unreasonable to suggest making possession calls indirect frees?

Also wondering: has hurling always had one designated free taker on each team?  In basketball, the player fouled takes the free.

Not complaining as hurling is in great shape.  I do find that scores come too easily at times.  Might be more interesting to make 30+ games a rarity, rather than the norm.

Indirect frees have been in place for many many years.. You must not watch too many games

As for frees, there are sharp shooters in football that never miss 21 yard frees, I'd say the 65 now in hurling would be the same as a 21 yard free for football in terms of difficulty, not sure why you'd have a lesser player taking free's though, its specialised to the point that I'd take a dead eye free taker on the pitch who wouldn't really contribute to the game but managed to knock over every free or 65'

Actually I've seen every game this year and any game I could see going back to 2012.  At no time have I heard a commentator state a free taker could NOT shoot for a point.  Perhaps you did not understand what I meant by Indirect Free.

I already wrote why I would want a lesser player taking frees.  It was more a historical question: why is hurling different from basketball.

You said 'Has hurling ever had indirect frees?' yes they have for many years

Fighting for possession? is this when the 'scrum' is happening or when?

Indirect frees come about from a player being injured and the ref blows his whistle to have the injured player attended to, and the in possession can have a non scoreable free

The natural free taker isn't going back to the full back line to take a free, so other players do take free's. Some teams have the big hitting free takers, Limerick have that, and it works well enough for them, so a long distance free taker and the Gillane up front for the short ones, Cork many years ago had the same set up..

Would like an example possibly?

[didlyi]

Most would agree theres not a lot wrong with hurling. But...the handpass has to be addressed soon. Its allowing  a short passing game (throws) and the secondary effects of that are spare hand fouls, pulling and draging, rucks etc. The game needs to be cleaned up due to all the above and starting with banning the handpasses from the same hand as holding the ball is definately worth a try? At least a proper trial? Tackle should be hooking and blocking not using your hands to stop a player off loading a throw type handpass.

[Mad Mentor]

Something to discourage the rutting that takes place at the start of a half or whenever a sub comes in and "a marker has to be laid down". Or maybe just enforce the rules as the young lad from Tipp found out to his cost.

And definitely something must be done with the handpass. It's the one thing you hear most complained about at a match and is very difficult for the referee to police consistently.

[Ash Smoker]

Most would agree theres not a lot wrong with hurling. But...the handpass has to be addressed soon. Its allowing  a short passing game (throws) and the secondary effects of that are spare hand fouls, pulling and draging, rucks etc. The game needs to be cleaned up due to all the above and starting with banning the handpasses from the same hand as holding the ball is definately worth a try? At least a proper trial? Tackle should be hooking and blocking not using your hands to stop a player off loading a throw type handpass.

The handpass rule is that the ball must be released and struck with a definite striking action of the hand. If referees enforced this existing rule, there is no need for a new one.

[didlyi]

Most would agree theres not a lot wrong with hurling. But...the handpass has to be addressed soon. Its allowing  a short passing game (throws) and the secondary effects of that are spare hand fouls, pulling and draging, rucks etc. The game needs to be cleaned up due to all the above and starting with banning the handpasses from the same hand as holding the ball is definately worth a try? At least a proper trial? Tackle should be hooking and blocking not using your hands to stop a player off loading a throw type handpass.

The handpass rule is that the ball must be released and struck with a definite striking action of the hand. If referees enforced this existing rule, there is no need for a new one.

The problem with the existing rule is that its not clear cut. Its what the ref sees as clear seperation and we know now that there are several pundits ready to slate a ref if he makes a tight call which is then highlighted in slo motion as incorrect. Some say the ref should lean twoards only calling it if hes 100% sure which has got us where we are now. If he leans tworads blowing all suspected passes then we have controverlsy galore. For me the throw type handpass (not all handpasses) should be banned. For me this type of hand pass, whether theres seperation or not, is nothing more than a glorified throw. There are several other more skilfull, more attractive and more legal ways of handpassing a ball.

[Franko]

Most would agree theres not a lot wrong with hurling. But...the handpass has to be addressed soon. Its allowing  a short passing game (throws) and the secondary effects of that are spare hand fouls, pulling and draging, rucks etc. The game needs to be cleaned up due to all the above and starting with banning the handpasses from the same hand as holding the ball is definately worth a try? At least a proper trial? Tackle should be hooking and blocking not using your hands to stop a player off loading a throw type handpass.

The handpass rule is that the ball must be released and struck with a definite striking action of the hand. If referees enforced this existing rule, there is no need for a new one.

Preach it brother

[Rossfan]

Refs enforcing rules in hurling = classic oxy moron

[Milltown Row2]

Refs enforcing rules in hurling = classic oxy moron

Where's the fun in that? Be no chit chat afterwards.

Be a lot of angry men unable to vent their frustrations lol

[podge]

Most would agree theres not a lot wrong with hurling. But...the handpass has to be addressed soon. Its allowing  a short passing game (throws) and the secondary effects of that are spare hand fouls, pulling and draging, rucks etc. The game needs to be cleaned up due to all the above and starting with banning the handpasses from the same hand as holding the ball is definately worth a try? At least a proper trial? Tackle should be hooking and blocking not using your hands to stop a player off loading a throw type handpass.

The handpass rule is that the ball must be released and struck with a definite striking action of the hand. If referees enforced this existing rule, there is no need for a new one.

I agree with this- if it was policed properly on the basis of there needing to be clear separation between hand and  ball and a striking action then I expect we would find it reverts to a point where the hand passes are actually clear!

A slightly radical addition might be something like not being allowed more than x (say 2) hand passes in succession unless the ball hits the ground or an opponent touches it.  A bit like not being allowed 3 times in the hand.