The Football Review Survey

Started by GGEEdub, April 10, 2024, 10:25:54 AM

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GGEEdub

Jim Gavins Gaelic Football review committee has released the survey to start their project. It's open to the public

Link to the survey here

Not sure how I feel about the survey, but I suppose with Jim Gavin behind the wheel, it's nearly guaranteed to produce box-office results.

Make long-range points worth 2 points?  :P

Derryman forever

Quote from: GGEEdub on April 10, 2024, 10:25:54 AMJim Gavins Gaelic Football review committee has released the survey to start their project. It's open to the public

Link to the survey here

Not sure how I feel about the survey, but I suppose with Jim Gavin behind the wheel, it's nearly guaranteed to produce box-office results.

Make long-range points worth 2 points?  :P

I thought the usual complaint of the doomsayers  was that Gaelic was too much like Basketball?

GoldCoastRossie

I found the question which county do you associate with strange as obviously I am from Roscommon but now have kids playing in Meath. It didn't really give an option for transplants.

It will be interesting to see the results.

Rossfan

Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

tyrone08

Not sure Jim should be leading this. As a manager the man was gifted every single benefit a team could possibly have. Is his suggestion going to be give each team home advantage and millions each year?

onefineday

It was fascinating to get an insight into some of the greatest minds that the game has ever known and after leaving Mullingar last Saturday, I know football is in the safest of hands.
I half regretted saying yes to the trial game organised by the Football Review Committee (FRC) as I had a league match the next day but it was an enthralling few hours in Cusack Park as we played the role of guinea pigs for the hotly debated experimental rules.

John Furlong, Jack Bryant, Paddy Fox and Nevin O'Donnell were among those there and it was all go after we arrived around nine with breakfast quickly followed by a presentation from Jim Gavin.

A tactical session with James Horan was next before we split into our two teams – black and white – with Horan and Malachy O'Rourke on one side while Michael Murphy and Éamonn Fitzmaurice took charge of my team.

It was interesting to get an idea of what they are thinking about for the future of Gaelic football. They want to make it a more spectator-friendly sport so it needs to be quicker with less reward for a team bringing everyone back. They want more contests, more kicking and a faster game, much like hurling. I was shocked by the pace of the game but referee David Coldrick made it very easy for us in terms of the new rules. I can't remember the last time I played a match where I made so many side-to-side runs, so many short sprints just looking for that one bounce in front ball.

You're running back into your own half in matches these days, getting back into a defensive shape and hoping to get a shot on the outside of a screen. The rules that were enforced changed the game completely for me and I was like a child on Christmas morning.
There was one time when I didn't take advantage, though. I caught a ball that was bombed in and kicked it over the bar. It wasn't long before Colm Collins was onto me.

"Nigel, Nigel, go for the goal. This is the whole point of this new advanced-mark rule. You go for goal and you'll get your point anyway because we'll bring it back if you don't score."

It made it so enjoyable.

You could say that the rules are quite forward-friendly but I'd look at it from the another perspective too. What the new rules can allow for is a James O'Donoghue versus Keith Higgins scenario from 2014 when two players at the top of their game really go at it toe-to-toe.

You will see more outstanding defenders now because the notion of having to keep three forwards and backs inside the '65 at all times promotes that. There's defenders out there that will thrive, the whole country will see how brilliant they are one-on-one. The emphasis will also be on having real scoring forwards inside that can do serious damage. I don't think keeping three players apiece up inside the '65 is overly drastic but if a team is clever and they trust their defenders, they'll actually leave four or five forwards up.

The likes of Kerry and Dublin would leave four forwards up so if one defender and attacker go back the pitch, there will still be three up and we actually might end up getting back towards the traditional shape of football.

The solo and go rule was brilliant. You get fouled and rather than stopping and giving the team that committed the tactical foul a chance to get everyone back in shape, you just take the solo and off you go. There's no advantage to that foul and it really sped up the game.

Our game was very open but there's nothing stopping a team dropping loads of defenders back and that will happen. They have to make sure they have three forwards up, though, and they can't have 15 behind the ball. The max they can have outfield is 11 players trying to clog it up and that makes a difference.

The game felt like a throwback and every time you got the ball, you were going to get a score or set up a score. It finished 4-12 to 4-9 and we only played 45 minutes but it was enjoyable to play, and similarly good to look at I'd imagine.

Incorporating all of these rules into underage games and the whole way up the club chain will be challenging, though, and the extra officiating would be my main concern. How does this get implemented from the ground up?

The only thing that was redundant was the two-pointer, I can only remember one in the game. That two-pointer must come in because players will drop back in inter-county football and try to cut off goals that are worth four points.

You have to reward the attacking team for taking on shots but the game last Saturday was too open so you didn't need that. When bodies start dropping back is when the two-pointer comes into play and players like Paul Mannion and David Clifford will be in heaven.

The two-point arc was marked out with small flat cones and we were warming up with Colm Nally while doing shooting drills from 40 metres on the run. It was mad to see how few were scored with about five from 35 converted.

The really good football minds will excel under these rules and the dynamic of how an inter-county manager picks his team will change drastically. There is huge reward for having elite kickers on your team whereas, right now, Gaelic football is based on genetics.

Both teams are playing defensive crap and what happens is the team with more speedsters will invariably create more opportunities. It's a game of pace, a game of athletes. Football should reward footballers and these rules certainly will.

Those long shots will also have the unintended consequence of balls dropping short around the danger area and that is the most inviting delivery nowadays, it creates so many goals.

As a footballing nerd, this whole experience gets a big thumbs up from me and it could revolutionise the great game.

onefineday

Quote from: onefineday on June 21, 2024, 07:32:39 AMIt was fascinating to get an insight into some of the greatest minds that the game has ever known and after leaving Mullingar last Saturday, I know football is in the safest of hands.
I half regretted saying yes to the trial game organised by the Football Review Committee (FRC) as I had a league match the next day but it was an enthralling few hours in Cusack Park as we played the role of guinea pigs for the hotly debated experimental rules.

John Furlong, Jack Bryant, Paddy Fox and Nevin O'Donnell were among those there and it was all go after we arrived around nine with breakfast quickly followed by a presentation from Jim Gavin.

A tactical session with James Horan was next before we split into our two teams – black and white – with Horan and Malachy O'Rourke on one side while Michael Murphy and Éamonn Fitzmaurice took charge of my team.

It was interesting to get an idea of what they are thinking about for the future of Gaelic football. They want to make it a more spectator-friendly sport so it needs to be quicker with less reward for a team bringing everyone back. They want more contests, more kicking and a faster game, much like hurling. I was shocked by the pace of the game but referee David Coldrick made it very easy for us in terms of the new rules. I can't remember the last time I played a match where I made so many side-to-side runs, so many short sprints just looking for that one bounce in front ball.

You're running back into your own half in matches these days, getting back into a defensive shape and hoping to get a shot on the outside of a screen. The rules that were enforced changed the game completely for me and I was like a child on Christmas morning.
There was one time when I didn't take advantage, though. I caught a ball that was bombed in and kicked it over the bar. It wasn't long before Colm Collins was onto me.

"Nigel, Nigel, go for the goal. This is the whole point of this new advanced-mark rule. You go for goal and you'll get your point anyway because we'll bring it back if you don't score."

It made it so enjoyable.

You could say that the rules are quite forward-friendly but I'd look at it from the another perspective too. What the new rules can allow for is a James O'Donoghue versus Keith Higgins scenario from 2014 when two players at the top of their game really go at it toe-to-toe.

You will see more outstanding defenders now because the notion of having to keep three forwards and backs inside the '65 at all times promotes that. There's defenders out there that will thrive, the whole country will see how brilliant they are one-on-one. The emphasis will also be on having real scoring forwards inside that can do serious damage. I don't think keeping three players apiece up inside the '65 is overly drastic but if a team is clever and they trust their defenders, they'll actually leave four or five forwards up.

The likes of Kerry and Dublin would leave four forwards up so if one defender and attacker go back the pitch, there will still be three up and we actually might end up getting back towards the traditional shape of football.

The solo and go rule was brilliant. You get fouled and rather than stopping and giving the team that committed the tactical foul a chance to get everyone back in shape, you just take the solo and off you go. There's no advantage to that foul and it really sped up the game.

Our game was very open but there's nothing stopping a team dropping loads of defenders back and that will happen. They have to make sure they have three forwards up, though, and they can't have 15 behind the ball. The max they can have outfield is 11 players trying to clog it up and that makes a difference.

The game felt like a throwback and every time you got the ball, you were going to get a score or set up a score. It finished 4-12 to 4-9 and we only played 45 minutes but it was enjoyable to play, and similarly good to look at I'd imagine.

Incorporating all of these rules into underage games and the whole way up the club chain will be challenging, though, and the extra officiating would be my main concern. How does this get implemented from the ground up?

The only thing that was redundant was the two-pointer, I can only remember one in the game. That two-pointer must come in because players will drop back in inter-county football and try to cut off goals that are worth four points.

You have to reward the attacking team for taking on shots but the game last Saturday was too open so you didn't need that. When bodies start dropping back is when the two-pointer comes into play and players like Paul Mannion and David Clifford will be in heaven.

The two-point arc was marked out with small flat cones and we were warming up with Colm Nally while doing shooting drills from 40 metres on the run. It was mad to see how few were scored with about five from 35 converted.

The really good football minds will excel under these rules and the dynamic of how an inter-county manager picks his team will change drastically. There is huge reward for having elite kickers on your team whereas, right now, Gaelic football is based on genetics.

Both teams are playing defensive crap and what happens is the team with more speedsters will invariably create more opportunities. It's a game of pace, a game of athletes. Football should reward footballers and these rules certainly will.

Those long shots will also have the unintended consequence of balls dropping short around the danger area and that is the most inviting delivery nowadays, it creates so many goals.

As a footballing nerd, this whole experience gets a big thumbs up from me and it could revolutionise the great game.
Article in independent by Nigel Dunne - Offaly around trials of new rules.
Sounds pretty encouraging to me.
Btw, only another few weeks to get your survey responses in!!

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: onefineday on June 21, 2024, 07:32:39 AMIt was fascinating to get an insight into some of the greatest minds that the game has ever known and after leaving Mullingar last Saturday, I know football is in the safest of hands.
I half regretted saying yes to the trial game organised by the Football Review Committee (FRC) as I had a league match the next day but it was an enthralling few hours in Cusack Park as we played the role of guinea pigs for the hotly debated experimental rules.

John Furlong, Jack Bryant, Paddy Fox and Nevin O'Donnell were among those there and it was all go after we arrived around nine with breakfast quickly followed by a presentation from Jim Gavin.

A tactical session with James Horan was next before we split into our two teams – black and white – with Horan and Malachy O'Rourke on one side while Michael Murphy and Éamonn Fitzmaurice took charge of my team.

It was interesting to get an idea of what they are thinking about for the future of Gaelic football. They want to make it a more spectator-friendly sport so it needs to be quicker with less reward for a team bringing everyone back. They want more contests, more kicking and a faster game, much like hurling. I was shocked by the pace of the game but referee David Coldrick made it very easy for us in terms of the new rules. I can't remember the last time I played a match where I made so many side-to-side runs, so many short sprints just looking for that one bounce in front ball.

You're running back into your own half in matches these days, getting back into a defensive shape and hoping to get a shot on the outside of a screen. The rules that were enforced changed the game completely for me and I was like a child on Christmas morning.
There was one time when I didn't take advantage, though. I caught a ball that was bombed in and kicked it over the bar. It wasn't long before Colm Collins was onto me.

"Nigel, Nigel, go for the goal. This is the whole point of this new advanced-mark rule. You go for goal and you'll get your point anyway because we'll bring it back if you don't score."

It made it so enjoyable.

You could say that the rules are quite forward-friendly but I'd look at it from the another perspective too. What the new rules can allow for is a James O'Donoghue versus Keith Higgins scenario from 2014 when two players at the top of their game really go at it toe-to-toe.

You will see more outstanding defenders now because the notion of having to keep three forwards and backs inside the '65 at all times promotes that. There's defenders out there that will thrive, the whole country will see how brilliant they are one-on-one. The emphasis will also be on having real scoring forwards inside that can do serious damage. I don't think keeping three players apiece up inside the '65 is overly drastic but if a team is clever and they trust their defenders, they'll actually leave four or five forwards up.

The likes of Kerry and Dublin would leave four forwards up so if one defender and attacker go back the pitch, there will still be three up and we actually might end up getting back towards the traditional shape of football.

The solo and go rule was brilliant. You get fouled and rather than stopping and giving the team that committed the tactical foul a chance to get everyone back in shape, you just take the solo and off you go. There's no advantage to that foul and it really sped up the game.

Our game was very open but there's nothing stopping a team dropping loads of defenders back and that will happen. They have to make sure they have three forwards up, though, and they can't have 15 behind the ball. The max they can have outfield is 11 players trying to clog it up and that makes a difference.

The game felt like a throwback and every time you got the ball, you were going to get a score or set up a score. It finished 4-12 to 4-9 and we only played 45 minutes but it was enjoyable to play, and similarly good to look at I'd imagine.

Incorporating all of these rules into underage games and the whole way up the club chain will be challenging, though, and the extra officiating would be my main concern. How does this get implemented from the ground up?

The only thing that was redundant was the two-pointer, I can only remember one in the game. That two-pointer must come in because players will drop back in inter-county football and try to cut off goals that are worth four points.

You have to reward the attacking team for taking on shots but the game last Saturday was too open so you didn't need that. When bodies start dropping back is when the two-pointer comes into play and players like Paul Mannion and David Clifford will be in heaven.

The two-point arc was marked out with small flat cones and we were warming up with Colm Nally while doing shooting drills from 40 metres on the run. It was mad to see how few were scored with about five from 35 converted.

The really good football minds will excel under these rules and the dynamic of how an inter-county manager picks his team will change drastically. There is huge reward for having elite kickers on your team whereas, right now, Gaelic football is based on genetics.

Both teams are playing defensive crap and what happens is the team with more speedsters will invariably create more opportunities. It's a game of pace, a game of athletes. Football should reward footballers and these rules certainly will.

Those long shots will also have the unintended consequence of balls dropping short around the danger area and that is the most inviting delivery nowadays, it creates so many goals.

As a footballing nerd, this whole experience gets a big thumbs up from me and it could revolutionise the great game.

ive highlighted a few things here, not having a go at the lad but

Our game was very open- of course it was open, there is nothing to play for it's just going out and playing a game of football with no tactics and analysing the opposition to a tee. Go and watch a reserve game where players are just playing, it'll be very open for the same reason.

The only thing that was redundant was the two-pointer, I can only remember one in the game. That two-pointer must come in because players will drop back in inter-county football and try to cut off goals that are worth four points- it'll actually be worse come games, teams will drop players back into a extremely hard to play through unit and just man mark the few players on opposite team who can shoot from distance, most teams will only have 1 or 2.he said it be heaven for Clifford or Mannion, these are the players teams will man mark.

As a footballing nerd, this whole experience gets a big thumbs up from me and it could revolutionise the great game- we dont need to revolutionise the game, this is infuriating. the game is fine, its how teams play is the problem. look at Cork Tyrone last week, great game. the pace was brilliant and the play was top class. no matter what rules come in managers will adapt, football goes in cycles. Even look at last night in soccer Spain vs Italy, look how many of Spains sickouts went long, who would have imagined that 5 years ago? every time tactics change we dont need to change rules.

Armagh18

If the FRC could just tell refs to let as much physicality in football as in hurling that'd probably solve 90% of the problems.

5times5times

You can see the 2 point arc lines pretty clearly at the Athletic Grounds now on tg4.

Armagh18

Quote from: 5times5times on July 07, 2024, 06:14:21 PMYou can see the 2 point arc lines pretty clearly at the Athletic Grounds now on tg4.
Yeah was just saying there Gavin must have been up the road