RIP - Boeing 747 stalls and crashes a Bagram - Footage

Started by muppet, April 30, 2013, 09:23:20 PM

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Tony Baloney

Crazy stuff. I suppose at that height there is little time to do anything about it. Weird seeing such a big yoke just fall like a stone.

Jeepers Creepers

#2
Nightmare! How could you stay silent during filming. Surely it warrants at least a 'holy sh#t'

Eamonnca1

He says "Oh f**k" eventually. I'd imagine it'd be a bit shocking.

J70

According to the comment on the link, it stalled because the cargo wasn't tied down properly and slid to the back. Unbelievable.  :(

muppet

Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2013, 02:25:27 AM
According to the comment on the link, it stalled because the cargo wasn't tied down properly and slid to the back. Unbelievable.  :(

That seems the most likely at the moment. If true the aircraft was unflyable.
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Aerlik

Of the seven on board, one was the Loadmaster whose specific role was to ensure that the correct weight distribution of the cargo was overseen.  This can be quite a tricky task especially if the computerised loading system for the aircraft type was u/s.  One of the Air Transport Pilot's Licence exams is "Loading" and many have failed it first time as it requires quite precise calculations based on specific positioning for the weights, not with computers but a pencil and a calculator.
Or, there could have been pilot error, eg, one or more engines not set at specific thrust for the take-off weight; or indeed, the Captain perhaps knew that the aircraft was overweight.  This is NOT an uncommon occurrence, especially in GA aircraft.

What is evident is the stall which caused the "wingdrop" before the nose dropped.  And the bellyflop further enhances this.  Now this could have been caused by a catastrophic double engine failure though fuel starvation perhaps by a failure of fuel pump failure.  The worst time to get an engine failure is during take-off. 

There are some sick fcuks out there commenting on YouTube.
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Itchy

Well I can tell you I said holy f**k when I watched that. How'd you know so much about this stuff Aerlik?

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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 01, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
u/s?

GA?

Unserviceable & General Aviation (respectively).

Surreal sequence of events.
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Tony Baloney

Quote from: Itchy on May 01, 2013, 07:58:08 PM
Well I can tell you I said holy f**k when I watched that. How'd you know so much about this stuff Aerlik?
He's a pilot out in Oz.

muppet

Quote from: Aerlik on May 01, 2013, 05:30:49 PM
Of the seven on board, one was the Loadmaster whose specific role was to ensure that the correct weight distribution of the cargo was overseen.  This can be quite a tricky task especially if the computerised loading system for the aircraft type was u/s.  One of the Air Transport Pilot's Licence exams is "Loading" and many have failed it first time as it requires quite precise calculations based on specific positioning for the weights, not with computers but a pencil and a calculator.
Or, there could have been pilot error, eg, one or more engines not set at specific thrust for the take-off weight; or indeed, the Captain perhaps knew that the aircraft was overweight.  This is NOT an uncommon occurrence, especially in GA aircraft.

What is evident is the stall which caused the "wingdrop" before the nose dropped.  And the bellyflop further enhances this.  Now this could have been caused by a catastrophic double engine failure though fuel starvation perhaps by a failure of fuel pump failure.  The worst time to get an engine failure is during take-off. 

There are some sick fcuks out there commenting on YouTube.

Just looking at it again and I notice the gear was down as they hit the ground.

I would be amazed if they selected it down while fighting a stall (though I believe some types do have such a procedure), so I would guess they never took the gear up. That makes the engine failure a slightly lower possibility as all the relevant procedures for engine failures call for gear up, and I think it makes the load shift theory a little more plausible as it would have been a case of 'wtf is going on?' followed by a major fight with the controls, and they simply forgot the gear.

The other thing is the dramatic starboard wing drop was preceded by a lesser wing drop on the other side.
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Eamonnca1

On a related note, I'm gonna get me one of them dashcams

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Amazing footage, I presume that engine failure is worse in takeoff than landing as in takeoff you dont have the forward momentum or power to direct an emergency landing.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.