International Rules 2010/2011

[supersarsfields]

But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!

The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.

I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.

We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.

Westlife, Boyzone, etc.
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low blow! 

What gets me on the point of IR is that the people who hate it seem to be very vocal on it. I could understand someone not liking it and, maybe say, not attending it.  But as stephnite says it the venom against it that I don't understand.

[INDIANA]

But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!

The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.

I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.

We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.

Westlife, Boyzone, etc.
Reality TV
Tommy Lyons's opinions on football
Hello Magazine
Celebrity culture
Tyrone football
etc.

low blow! 

What gets me on the point of IR is that the people who hate it seem to be very vocal on it. I could understand someone not liking it and, maybe say, not attending it.  But as stephnite says it the venom against it that I don't understand.

Because it interferes with club fixtures. Already in dublin the county final has been pushed forward a week because of it. Club players get screwed over all season and then this arrives and screws them over even more. All for an exhibition game featuring a sport that doesn't even form part of the Associations games.

[stephenite]

I'd disagree with interfering with club games, but that's not the reason people want it to die on it's arse. Did the Dublin CB re-schedule it?

[Rossfan]

.  But as stephnite says it the venom against it that I don't understand.

Because it interferes with club fixtures. [/quote]

So do Inter County games.
I for one will be attending in Croke Park and hope to enjoy the game and will be delighted if one of our lads gets to wear the Irish jersey,.
To those who don't like it or have no time for it  ....
do like I do with Rugby ...just ignore it and let us get on with enjoying it.
Anyway shouldnt Dublin have their championhips finished before the end of October?

[INDIANA]

I'd disagree with interfering with club games, but that's not the reason people want it to die on it's arse. Did the Dublin CB re-schedule it?

On advisement from HQ. This is already causing problems for the teams involved. Because the final was fixed for the bank holiday weekend lads had planned out work schedules IF they got to the final. Now its a shambles for lads who are involved doing shifts at work for example. I know of two lads if they win this weekend have to try and swap weekend shifts next week to be able to play.

Club players work their lives around the demands of the county team and are happy to do so because many have friends playing, love of the county jersey etc. No better feeling then being in Croke Park watching your county team playing championship in my view. But  a lot of club players are pissed off quite frankly about having to accomodate an exhibition game.

I dont see a place in the calendar for this. Club fixtures should not be interfered with to accomodate it.

[Farrandeelin]

But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!

The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.

I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.

We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.

Westlife, Boyzone, etc.
Reality TV
Tommy Lyons's opinions on football
Hello Magazine
Celebrity culture
Tyrone football
etc.

Jaysus Hardy, I totally agree with you on all of those. Now my opinion on IR would be somewhat different, but not altogether. I'd share cavanmaniac's viewpoint on this series.

[wherefromreferee?]

When does Mr Tohill name his squad?

[laoisgaa]

When does Mr Tohill name his squad?

Thursday

[razor]

Benny Coulter will not be playing in this series because of injury.

[Bogball XV]

I'd disagree with interfering with club games, but that's not the reason people want it to die on it's arse. Did the Dublin CB re-schedule it?

On advisement from HQ. This is already causing problems for the teams involved. Because the final was fixed for the bank holiday weekend lads had planned out work schedules IF they got to the final. Now its a shambles for lads who are involved doing shifts at work for example. I know of two lads if they win this weekend have to try and swap weekend shifts next week to be able to play.

Club players work their lives around the demands of the county team and are happy to do so because many have friends playing, love of the county jersey etc. No better feeling then being in Croke Park watching your county team playing championship in my view. But  a lot of club players are pissed off quite frankly about having to accomodate an exhibition game.

I dont see a place in the calendar for this. Club fixtures should not be interfered with to accomodate it.

When's the dublin final on now then?  Shouldn't be to much interference with the international rules now that Brogan and McAuley won't be in it?

[From the Bunker]

Why I hate International rules series

It's another way of poaching players to the Aussie game.

It does not reward the best FOOTBALL players in the GAA. Adaptable players are picked.

It interferes with unfinished Club fixtures.

It has killed the Railway Cup. Which if marketed and ran correctly could be an excellent competition.

When the series is played in Ireland, Irish players are put at risk as the Aussies usually let loose away from home.

Sadly most people go for the fights or to see a player dangerously tackled!

The lack of serious disciplinary measures means that there are really no rules to cope with players going mad with dangerous tackles. And the Referees look to be more in an advisory role than a controlling one.

It does nothing for relationships with the Aussies, as they come here, do an array of dangerous tackles, beat up our boys and call us bad losers. They see nothing wrong with this and we end up huffed!

Really we have very little in common overall psychologically between the two codes. The Aussies and The Irish have different values, different levels of professionalism, and different levels of education.

[Rossfan]

It has killed the Railway Cup. Which if marketed and ran correctly could be an excellent competition.

Now I know you're a WUM

[Jinxy]

Forget about the Railway Cup too.
Jesus you'd swear we were stuck for a game of football to watch!

[From the Bunker]

No wind up man!

[Aerlik]

Now lads can you do me a favour?  If any of you know any of the Irish players, can you tell them to go easy on Duffield and Broughton of Australia?  Both are key Fremantle players and as there is every likelihood Fremantle will be there or therebouts on the last Saturday of September next year, we need to keep the lads uninjured.

Goodonya.