The Battle for Fermanagh and South Tyrone

[Myles Na G.]

Every Irish election after the introduction of anything approaching a representative franchise showed a majority in favour of separation from Britain, something entirely ignored by the colonial masters. This ignorance from London effectively indicated that home rule type arrangements were untenable as there would not be good faith from the British. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Every election after 1970 in both states on this island produced majorities for parties who condemned the so called 'armed stuggle' and called on republicans to end it. Why were the wishes of these voters ignored by republicans, yet the wishes of people long dead were held by republicans to be undeniable? Why are dead people more important?

[Nally Stand]

I don't claim to support the SDLP.  Have you got issues with reading nally?  I started a thread a while back and stated what I thought of the SDLP.  I don't support them so why should I know about any of the things you claim to be true?  I don't have the time to go through each of your 'points' but I seem to remember you being asked to produce evidence on at least one of your 'points' before and you couldn't produce it

1. Have you got issues with reading? Because I didn't say anything about you supporting the SDLP

2. What "point" was I unable to prove?

3. Speaking of unable to prove things, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, after all on this very thread you came out with the ridiculous line "I can't prove what I have said even though I know it to be true because of who told me" (ardmhacaabu, May 2nd). I also remember you making claims on another thread that you "knew to be true" due to people you  "know" to be involved in the IRA in Belfast "telling you so". Catch yourself on man.

1/ Liar
2/ see oakleaf
3/ Liar

THAT WAS THE LAZIEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER READ 

1. Prove to me that I am lying, and quote to me where I said you supported the SDLP

2. See response to Oakleaf

3. How is this one a lie , I quoted you directly

tick tock....come on ardmhaca, I am waiting on your response......................

[oakleafgael]

I don't claim to support the SDLP.  Have you got issues with reading nally?  I started a thread a while back and stated what I thought of the SDLP.  I don't support them so why should I know about any of the things you claim to be true?  I don't have the time to go through each of your 'points' but I seem to remember you being asked to produce evidence on at least one of your 'points' before and you couldn't produce it

1. Have you got issues with reading? Because I didn't say anything about you supporting the SDLP

2. What "point" was I unable to prove?

3. Speaking of unable to prove things, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, after all on this very thread you came out with the ridiculous line "I can't prove what I have said even though I know it to be true because of who told me" (ardmhacaabu, May 2nd). I also remember you making claims on another thread that you "knew to be true" due to people you  "know" to be involved in the IRA in Belfast "telling you so". Catch yourself on man.

1/ Liar
2/ see oakleaf
3/ Liar

THAT WAS THE LAZIEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER READ 

1. Prove to me that I am lying, and quote to me where I said you supported the SDLP

2. See response to Oakleaf

3. How is this one a lie , I quoted you directly

tick tock....come on ardmhaca, I am waiting on your response......................

Nally Stand,

Your last post wasnt at me but as Im mentioned at number 2. If your still claiming there is a voting pact between SDLP and the Unionists on Omagh District council either produce the evidence or withdraw the claim.

[armaghniac]

Every election after 1970 in both states on this island produced majorities for parties who condemned the so called 'armed stuggle' and called on republicans to end it.

I can say that MnG, but you cannot as you not accept the democratic ability of the Irish people to determine their own destiny.

[Nally Stand]

I don't claim to support the SDLP.  Have you got issues with reading nally?  I started a thread a while back and stated what I thought of the SDLP.  I don't support them so why should I know about any of the things you claim to be true?  I don't have the time to go through each of your 'points' but I seem to remember you being asked to produce evidence on at least one of your 'points' before and you couldn't produce it

1. Have you got issues with reading? Because I didn't say anything about you supporting the SDLP

2. What "point" was I unable to prove?

3. Speaking of unable to prove things, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, after all on this very thread you came out with the ridiculous line "I can't prove what I have said even though I know it to be true because of who told me" (ardmhacaabu, May 2nd). I also remember you making claims on another thread that you "knew to be true" due to people you  "know" to be involved in the IRA in Belfast "telling you so". Catch yourself on man.

1/ Liar
2/ see oakleaf
3/ Liar

THAT WAS THE LAZIEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER READ 

1. Prove to me that I am lying, and quote to me where I said you supported the SDLP

2. See response to Oakleaf

3. How is this one a lie , I quoted you directly

tick tock....come on ardmhaca, I am waiting on your response......................

Nally Stand,

Your last post wasnt at me but as Im mentioned at number 2. If your still claiming there is a voting pact between SDLP and the Unionists on Omagh District council either produce the evidence or withdraw the claim.

Correct. It was not aimed at you.

And as I have already respoded to your earlier post on this, I don't feel the need to again.

[Orior]

Thats quitre accurate Ulick 

Plus, anyone who is asexual, worries me.

[Myles Na G.]

Every election after 1970 in both states on this island produced majorities for parties who condemned the so called 'armed stuggle' and called on republicans to end it.

I can say that MnG, but you cannot as you not accept the democratic ability of the Irish people to determine their own destiny.

You can say it, but can't answer the question posed at the end of that post?

[Zapatista]

From the 2nd Dail you say? So we all live our lives according to the wishes of an electorate which had mostly died off by the time the troubles started? And what's so special about that all Ireland election? Why not elevate one of the elections won by Parnell's party and demand home rule instead of independence? Why is the election of 1918 given preeminence? Oh that's right - because it produced a result Irish republicans liked. Every single political party in Ireland from 1970 onwards called for the IRA to end its campaign. Did republicans respect the mandate of these people? Did they hell. Gerry and Marty had declared war and the war would only end when Gerry and Marty decided. The Irish people could go fcuk themselves as far as they were concerned.

Actually most of that electorate were still alive by the time the troubles started. That election was special as the rest were held in gerrymandered sates. They were held under the threat of British violence and in a Ireland Partitioned along sectarian lines.


The war ended with the GFA when the Irish people decided it would. Gerry and Marty had no option as republicans but to accept that.

[oakleafgael]

I don't claim to support the SDLP.  Have you got issues with reading nally?  I started a thread a while back and stated what I thought of the SDLP.  I don't support them so why should I know about any of the things you claim to be true?  I don't have the time to go through each of your 'points' but I seem to remember you being asked to produce evidence on at least one of your 'points' before and you couldn't produce it

1. Have you got issues with reading? Because I didn't say anything about you supporting the SDLP

2. What "point" was I unable to prove?

3. Speaking of unable to prove things, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, after all on this very thread you came out with the ridiculous line "I can't prove what I have said even though I know it to be true because of who told me" (ardmhacaabu, May 2nd). I also remember you making claims on another thread that you "knew to be true" due to people you  "know" to be involved in the IRA in Belfast "telling you so". Catch yourself on man.

1/ Liar
2/ see oakleaf
3/ Liar

THAT WAS THE LAZIEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER READ 

1. Prove to me that I am lying, and quote to me where I said you supported the SDLP

2. See response to Oakleaf

3. How is this one a lie , I quoted you directly

tick tock....come on ardmhaca, I am waiting on your response......................

Nally Stand,

Your last post wasnt at me but as Im mentioned at number 2. If your still claiming there is a voting pact between SDLP and the Unionists on Omagh District council either produce the evidence or withdraw the claim.

Correct. It was not aimed at you.

And as I have already respoded to your earlier post on this, I don't feel the need to again.

Okay then, can we accept that you have no proof of this voting pact at all then?

[Nally Stand]

I don't claim to support the SDLP.  Have you got issues with reading nally?  I started a thread a while back and stated what I thought of the SDLP.  I don't support them so why should I know about any of the things you claim to be true?  I don't have the time to go through each of your 'points' but I seem to remember you being asked to produce evidence on at least one of your 'points' before and you couldn't produce it

1. Have you got issues with reading? Because I didn't say anything about you supporting the SDLP

2. What "point" was I unable to prove?

3. Speaking of unable to prove things, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, after all on this very thread you came out with the ridiculous line "I can't prove what I have said even though I know it to be true because of who told me" (ardmhacaabu, May 2nd). I also remember you making claims on another thread that you "knew to be true" due to people you  "know" to be involved in the IRA in Belfast "telling you so". Catch yourself on man.

1/ Liar
2/ see oakleaf
3/ Liar

THAT WAS THE LAZIEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER READ 

1. Prove to me that I am lying, and quote to me where I said you supported the SDLP

2. See response to Oakleaf

3. How is this one a lie , I quoted you directly

tick tock....come on ardmhaca, I am waiting on your response......................

Nally Stand,

Your last post wasnt at me but as Im mentioned at number 2. If your still claiming there is a voting pact between SDLP and the Unionists on Omagh District council either produce the evidence or withdraw the claim.

Correct. It was not aimed at you.

And as I have already respoded to your earlier post on this, I don't feel the need to again.

Okay then, can we accept that you have no proof of this voting pact at all then?

If you read my previous reply I make it clear that I gave you proof on another thread. If you don't like it, suck it up.

[Myles Na G.]

From the 2nd Dail you say? So we all live our lives according to the wishes of an electorate which had mostly died off by the time the troubles started? And what's so special about that all Ireland election? Why not elevate one of the elections won by Parnell's party and demand home rule instead of independence? Why is the election of 1918 given preeminence? Oh that's right - because it produced a result Irish republicans liked. Every single political party in Ireland from 1970 onwards called for the IRA to end its campaign. Did republicans respect the mandate of these people? Did they hell. Gerry and Marty had declared war and the war would only end when Gerry and Marty decided. The Irish people could go fcuk themselves as far as they were concerned.

Actually most of that electorate were still alive by the time the troubles started.
That election was special as the rest were held in gerrymandered sates. They were held under the threat of British violence and in a Ireland Partitioned along sectarian lines.
The war ended with the GFA when the Irish people decided it would. Gerry and Marty had no option as republicans but to accept that.

The elections held before 1918 were held in an all Ireland state. Where's the difference?
Most of that electorate was still alive? Somebody who was 18 in 1918 would've been 70 in 1970. Somebody who was 40 would've been 92. Somebody who was 50...
And if they were still alive, presumably they were still voting in the elections which were returning parties calling for an end to the violence. So, why weren't their most recent wishes as expressed at the ballot box respected by republicans?

[Zapatista]

The elections held before 1918 were held in an all Ireland state. Where's the difference?
Most of that electorate was still alive? Somebody who was 18 in 1918 would've been 70 in 1970. Somebody who was 40 would've been 92. Somebody who was 50...
And if they were still alive, presumably they were still voting in the elections which were returning parties calling for an end to the violence. So, why weren't their most recent wishes as expressed at the ballot box respected by republicans?

The difference is there was another election which was held in 1921.

The IRA had campaigns in the 50s 60s and 70s. If you were 18 in 21 you were 47 in 1950, 57 in 1960. In 1970 you would have been 66 etc. Even if most were dead it makes no difference to were the mandate came from. RSF still respect this mandate. Just like in 100 years time we will still have to respect the Lisbon treaty unless there is a referendum to say otherwise.

Your last question was answered in my last post. The part you highlighted. I'm not defending it i'm just explaining it.

[red hander]

From the 2nd Dail you say? So we all live our lives according to the wishes of an electorate which had mostly died off by the time the troubles started? And what's so special about that all Ireland election? Why not elevate one of the elections won by Parnell's party and demand home rule instead of independence? Why is the election of 1918 given preeminence? Oh that's right - because it produced a result Irish republicans liked. Every single political party in Ireland from 1970 onwards called for the IRA to end its campaign. Did republicans respect the mandate of these people? Did they hell. Gerry and Marty had declared war and the war would only end when Gerry and Marty decided. The Irish people could go fcuk themselves as far as they were concerned.

Actually most of that electorate were still alive by the time the troubles started.
That election was special as the rest were held in gerrymandered sates. They were held under the threat of British violence and in a Ireland Partitioned along sectarian lines.
The war ended with the GFA when the Irish people decided it would. Gerry and Marty had no option as republicans but to accept that.

The elections held before 1918 were held in an all Ireland state. Where's the difference?
Most of that electorate was still alive? Somebody who was 18 in 1918 would've been 70 in 1970. Somebody who was 40 would've been 92. Somebody who was 50...
And if they were still alive, presumably they were still voting in the elections which were returning parties calling for an end to the violence. So, why weren't their most recent wishes as expressed at the ballot box respected by republicans?

When in a hole it's usually wise to stop digging ... but in your case, carry on... hopefully you'll strike an undergound power cable with an all-metal spade

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Re: Myles, why do we even keep responding to him, he obviously is a complete WUM and ignores (or posts drivel) to every thread when he FAILS.

[Myles Na G.]

The elections held before 1918 were held in an all Ireland state. Where's the difference?
Most of that electorate was still alive? Somebody who was 18 in 1918 would've been 70 in 1970. Somebody who was 40 would've been 92. Somebody who was 50...
And if they were still alive, presumably they were still voting in the elections which were returning parties calling for an end to the violence. So, why weren't their most recent wishes as expressed at the ballot box respected by republicans?

The difference is there was another election which was held in 1921.

The IRA had campaigns in the 50s 60s and 70s. If you were 18 in 21 you were 47 in 1950, 57 in 1960. In 1970 you would have been 66 etc. Even if most were dead it makes no difference to were the mandate came from. RSF still respect this mandate. Just like in 100 years time we will still have to respect the Lisbon treaty unless there is a referendum to say otherwise.

Your last question was answered in my last post. The part you highlighted. I'm not defending it i'm just explaining it.

You said the war ended when the Irish people decided it should end, and expressed this wish through the GFA referendum. But the Irish people, for decades, had been expressing their wish for the war to end by voting for parties, on both sides of the border, who were demanding an end to republican violence. Republicans ignored this. Yet, come the GFA agreement, all of a sudden the Irish people have spoken and their wishes must be respected. What happened? Simple. Republicans had decided themselves, after they had finally realised that they couldn't bomb the British out of Ireland, to call the violence off. Only when it suited them did they finally decide to recognise and respect the wishes of the Irish people.