Ray Darcy - "I will leave the country if Enda Kenny becomes Taoiseach".

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Eoghan Mag

Actually 'Gowl' is regarded as a traveller word in these parts. (What would have been known as a 'Gypo' or 't**ker' word when I was a young lad.)

mylestheslasher

Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2010, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 16, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 15, 2010, 03:44:02 PM
Brendan O'Connor actually said to him "this is from a man who stays in the country with Brian Cowen as Taoiseach" To which D'Arcy just shrugged.

When Bertie quit as Taoiseach, D'Arcy did an entire day dedicated to the Glorious Leader Berite, all was good and great all day about Berte, he did an entire montage to his greatness.

Whatever about him being a Fianna Failer and defending Brian Cowan (useless but still a human being) but anyone who can defend Patrick Bartholomew "Bertie" Ahern really isn't an opinion worth listening to.

D'Arcy was also very smug about Enda's remark about "being more himself". I am actually begining to think this whole George Lee thing may be a God-send to Enda Kenny, he can now throw off his handlers, its better him acting himself and making a few stupid gaffes on TV (never did Bertie any harm, nothing to aspire to by the way) than looking stiff. For anyone who has talked to Enda on the street or in the pub they tend to a man/woman have high praise and regard for Kenny, he acts so comforatbly talking to people. For some reason he seems to act different on front of the tv camera. When Dobson interviewed him on the News after the Lee debacle he came across natural and more like a sure this is the way it is, not bothered if you like me, this is me. Far better approch than the try too hard method that seemed only present on tv.

My problem with Enda Kenny is he is false. He has the most ridiculous air brushed pictures of himself at his offices. He said he would never go into governemnt with SF but couldn't or wouldn't give a reason and effectively he just takes populist stances on everything so that he can be Taoiseach. There is no substance or principle to the man whatsoever. Doesn't take away from the fact that D'arcy is his equal.

What are you basing that on? The fact that his election posters are air-brushed? Every political poster is air-brushed, and I'd hardly call them false for that. Or is it because he said he wouldn't go into coalition with SF? I don't see how that makes him false? You mightn't like it, but that doesn't make him a false person.
Of all the people who wouldn't vote for Kenny, I think you'd find very few find him false. Incompotent, bland, boring - probably yes. False - no.

On Berties posters he still looked like a fat little gimp, Enda wants to look like Superman
He said he wouldn't consider coalition with SF but when pushed he wouldn't say why? The reason why is cos he thought it would be a popular thing to say.
If cowen said the sky was blue he'd say it was green. Just to be seen to be anti FF without having any real sustance or originality in anything he says.
Listen to the false shouting he was doing there today, its all put on passion. Hes as dull as dishwater and is trying to convince us otherwise.

Farrandeelin

Very well stated myles. Anything Cowen does, Kenny comes out against it. He couldn't give a reason to opt out of coalition with SF, if that happens... (We all know the reason though). It's time Mayo people saw through him.
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Zapatista

Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 16, 2010, 07:44:17 PM
On Berties posters he still looked like a fat little gimp, Enda wants to look like Superman
He said he wouldn't consider coalition with SF but when pushed he wouldn't say why? The reason why is cos he thought it would be a popular thing to say.
If cowen said the sky was blue he'd say it was green. Just to be seen to be anti FF without having any real sustance or originality in anything he says.
Listen to the false shooting he was doing there today, its all put on passion. Hes as dull as dishwater and is trying to convince us otherwise.

Things are a little messed up here. People are still comparing Kenny with Ahern in order to avoid the comparison with Cowen as Kenny wins that handsdown.

I thought Kenny ruled out a coalition with SF as it's the party line? He couldn't use the economic lie FF use as Kenny agreed to go in with Labour. FG always ruled it out a coalition with SF.

Kenny's position on Lisbon proves he doesn't just go on an anti FF stance. In fact he out lisbon'd Cowen.

I think Kenny is dull (fine for me in a politician, he shouldn't be a celeb) and I have no liking for the guy or his politics but he is far more interesting than Cowen and Colgan would be on caocaine.


mylestheslasher

Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2010, 08:13:03 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 16, 2010, 07:44:17 PM
On Berties posters he still looked like a fat little gimp, Enda wants to look like Superman
He said he wouldn't consider coalition with SF but when pushed he wouldn't say why? The reason why is cos he thought it would be a popular thing to say.
If cowen said the sky was blue he'd say it was green. Just to be seen to be anti FF without having any real sustance or originality in anything he says.
Listen to the false shooting he was doing there today, its all put on passion. Hes as dull as dishwater and is trying to convince us otherwise.

Things are a little messed up here. People are still comparing Kenny with Ahern in order to avoid the comparison with Cowen as Kenny wins that handsdown.

I thought Kenny ruled out a coalition with SF as it's the party line? He couldn't use the economic lie FF use as Kenny agreed to go in with Labour. FG always ruled it out a coalition with SF.

Kenny's position on Lisbon proves he doesn't just go on an anti FF stance. In fact he out lisbon'd Cowen.

I think Kenny is dull (fine for me in a politician, he shouldn't be a celeb) and I have no liking for the guy or his politics but he is far more interesting than Cowen and Colgan would be on caocaine.

But he could be the one reason FF could get enough seats to stay in power next time out cos FF will make it a battle of the leaders. You can see how low his leader rating is and he will drag FG down with him. The public just don't rate the man. Like imagine coming out and saying his media performances were poor and he'd have to act more natural - what was he acting like prior to that?

Bogball XV

Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2010, 08:13:03 PMThings are a little messed up here. People are still comparing Kenny with Ahern in order to avoid the comparison with Cowen as Kenny wins that handsdown.
I think it's the other way around entirely.

It's almost impossible to see FG not providing the taoiseach after the next election, but does that really give us anymore hope for the future?  FG will get in simply because people think FF need punished for what they (fully supported by the majority) did over the past decade.
I've largely given up on current affairs and irish politics as imo the lot of them are as incompetent as the others.  How many politicians tried to cry stop?  Why did the lot of them base their 07 election manifestos around 4% and 5% growth for the next decade (allied to the fact that we'll have 8 million in the country by 2020), why are they so f**king blind and so f**king populist?

red hander

Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on February 14, 2010, 10:35:40 AM
I remember Phil Collins saying he would leave Britain if Labour got in. Let's draw up a list of people you'd like to exit if a new government was elected - in either the Free State or the black North.

That sawn-off slaphead talent bypass should have been forced outta the country after 'Sussudio', never mind leaving of his own accord!

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com

Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 16, 2010, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2010, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 16, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 15, 2010, 03:44:02 PM
Brendan O'Connor actually said to him "this is from a man who stays in the country with Brian Cowen as Taoiseach" To which D'Arcy just shrugged.

When Bertie quit as Taoiseach, D'Arcy did an entire day dedicated to the Glorious Leader Berite, all was good and great all day about Berte, he did an entire montage to his greatness.

Whatever about him being a Fianna Failer and defending Brian Cowan (useless but still a human being) but anyone who can defend Patrick Bartholomew "Bertie" Ahern really isn't an opinion worth listening to.

D'Arcy was also very smug about Enda's remark about "being more himself". I am actually begining to think this whole George Lee thing may be a God-send to Enda Kenny, he can now throw off his handlers, its better him acting himself and making a few stupid gaffes on TV (never did Bertie any harm, nothing to aspire to by the way) than looking stiff. For anyone who has talked to Enda on the street or in the pub they tend to a man/woman have high praise and regard for Kenny, he acts so comforatbly talking to people. For some reason he seems to act different on front of the tv camera. When Dobson interviewed him on the News after the Lee debacle he came across natural and more like a sure this is the way it is, not bothered if you like me, this is me. Far better approch than the try too hard method that seemed only present on tv.

My problem with Enda Kenny is he is false. He has the most ridiculous air brushed pictures of himself at his offices. He said he would never go into governemnt with SF but couldn't or wouldn't give a reason and effectively he just takes populist stances on everything so that he can be Taoiseach. There is no substance or principle to the man whatsoever. Doesn't take away from the fact that D'arcy is his equal.

What are you basing that on? The fact that his election posters are air-brushed? Every political poster is air-brushed, and I'd hardly call them false for that. Or is it because he said he wouldn't go into coalition with SF? I don't see how that makes him false? You mightn't like it, but that doesn't make him a false person.
Of all the people who wouldn't vote for Kenny, I think you'd find very few find him false. Incompotent, bland, boring - probably yes. False - no.

On Berties posters he still looked like a fat little gimp, Enda wants to look like Superman
He said he wouldn't consider coalition with SF but when pushed he wouldn't say why? The reason why is cos he thought it would be a popular thing to say.
If cowen said the sky was blue he'd say it was green. Just to be seen to be anti FF without having any real sustance or originality in anything he says.
Listen to the false shouting he was doing there today, its all put on passion. Hes as dull as dishwater and is trying to convince us otherwise.

Well maybe the reason Bertie looks like a fat little gimp is because his idea of exercise is to put on a Man. Utd. Jersey and sit in a complementary Old Trafford seat provided by Paddy Plaster, while Enda Kenny climbs Kilimanjaro for charity, cycles half the way across Mayo and still playing Gaelic Football quite recently, representing the Dail in challenge games. Maybe he does not look like superman, just not a lazy git.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com

Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on February 14, 2010, 10:35:40 AM
I remember Phil Collins saying he would leave Britain if Labour got in. Let's draw up a list of people you'd like to exit if a new government was elected - in either the Free State or the black North.

Ryan Tubridy
George Lee
Gerry Ryan
Stephen Ireland (well if he actually came back first)
Charlie Bird (when he comes back)
Eoghan Harris
Bertie Ahern
Gay Byrne
Roy Keane
Lorraine Keane
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

ludermor

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 16, 2010, 09:08:58 PM

Well maybe the reason Bertie looks like a fat little gimp is because his idea of exercise is to put on a Man. Utd. Jersey and sit in a complementary Old Trafford seat provided by Paddy Plaster, while Enda Kenny climbs Kilimanjaro for charity, cycles half the way across Mayo and still playing Gaelic Football quite recently, representing the Dail in challenge games. Maybe he does not look like superman, just not a lazy git.
He must have been doing a lap around castlebar cause he has rarely been spotted in North Mayo.

Zapatista

Quote from: Bogball XV on February 16, 2010, 08:38:18 PM
I think it's the other way around entirely.

It's almost impossible to see FG not providing the taoiseach after the next election, but does that really give us anymore hope for the future?  FG will get in simply because people think FF need punished for what they (fully supported by the majority) did over the past decade.
I've largely given up on current affairs and irish politics as imo the lot of them are as incompetent as the others.  How many politicians tried to cry stop?  Why did the lot of them base their 07 election manifestos around 4% and 5% growth for the next decade (allied to the fact that we'll have 8 million in the country by 2020), why are they so f**king blind and so f**king populist?

I think it's a little naive to say FF will be reelected in order to punish them.
FG will have a taoiseach in the next election.
To be fair anyone who cried stop were ridiculed.
They based their manifestos on a growth as that was the figures provided by the department of finace under Brian Cowen who's job it is to provide those figures.
I'm not sure what the population has to do with your post.

Bogball XV

Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2010, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on February 16, 2010, 08:38:18 PM
I think it's the other way around entirely.

It's almost impossible to see FG not providing the taoiseach after the next election, but does that really give us anymore hope for the future?  FG will get in simply because people think FF need punished for what they (fully supported by the majority) did over the past decade.
I've largely given up on current affairs and irish politics as imo the lot of them are as incompetent as the others.  How many politicians tried to cry stop?  Why did the lot of them base their 07 election manifestos around 4% and 5% growth for the next decade (allied to the fact that we'll have 8 million in the country by 2020), why are they so f**king blind and so f**king populist?

I think it's a little naive to say FF will be reelected in order to punish them.
FG will have a taoiseach in the next election.
To be fair anyone who cried stop were ridiculed.
They based their manifestos on a growth as that was the figures provided by the department of finace under Brian Cowen who's job it is to provide those figures.
I'm not sure what the population has to do with your post.
Firstly: I don't think FG will do any better a job than FF have done and I don't think FG would have stopped us getting into the same mess, thus imo punishing FF is the only reason I can think of to vote FG (plus of course, they're not FF).
Secondly, yes I imagine that FG will probably have the taoiseach after the next election, if they don't it'll be because Kenny is perceived by all but dyed in the wool blueshirts to be weak and ineffective (his performance in the debate against the ever eloquent Ahern showed that).
Thirdly, none of them shouted or even murmoured stop, thus how do we know they'd have been ridiculed?  Was that what their spin doctors told them?  Look at the rewards they'd have now if they'd had a pair of bollocks.
Fourthly, i'll presume that's broadly the case, that doesn't change the fact that they were under no obligation to do so.  They essentially wanted more and more of the same, so that they could be as generous as benevolent bertie.  Let's keep on building they said, we need the income and prices will keep on rising for ever like some sort of babelesque tower, they used the projected population figures as proof of why this was a good idea.  I mention that davys population report that everybody latched onto, because it was an utterly ridiculous piece of work with more assumptions than a kilkenny (maybe mayo) man would need to make before believing that sam maguire was coming back to the county in the near future.

Zapatista

Quote from: Bogball XV on February 16, 2010, 11:44:47 PM

Thirdly, none of them shouted or even murmoured stop, thus how do we know they'd have been ridiculed? 

Who was Bertie asking to commit suicide? It was those that even thought to say stop. Anyone who was vocal about it were dismissed as they didn't know anything about economics.

Bogball XV

Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2010, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on February 16, 2010, 11:44:47 PM

Thirdly, none of them shouted or even murmoured stop, thus how do we know they'd have been ridiculed? 

Who was Bertie asking to commit suicide? It was those that even thought to say stop. Anyone who was vocal about it were dismissed as they didn't know anything about economics.
so why weren't bruton, rabbite etc, people who might have been respected shouting stop?  No, they were happy enough to talk about expanded public services, increased public sector salaries, lowering tax rates and maybe a wee bit of a tinkering with stamp duty should be enough to get the wagon back on track.  In the 9 months prior to the 07 election, barely a property sold, it was blamed on McDowell by everyone bar the PD's, all presumed that it was a temporary blip.  The people however had a fair idea what was coming down the tracks, remember what voters (including some on here, bless) - "better the devil we know", "FF a safe pair of hands :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D" etc, why didn't FG/Lab take them on, stop going along with FF's rosy pictures and say, no, we're fcuked and we don't want the same idiots who got us into this mess to try and navigate a way back out of it.

muppet

Quote from: Bogball XV on February 17, 2010, 01:46:40 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2010, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on February 16, 2010, 11:44:47 PM

Thirdly, none of them shouted or even murmoured stop, thus how do we know they'd have been ridiculed? 

Who was Bertie asking to commit suicide? It was those that even thought to say stop. Anyone who was vocal about it were dismissed as they didn't know anything about economics.
so why weren't bruton, rabbite etc, people who might have been respected shouting stop?  No, they were happy enough to talk about expanded public services, increased public sector salaries, lowering tax rates and maybe a wee bit of a tinkering with stamp duty should be enough to get the wagon back on track.  In the 9 months prior to the 07 election, barely a property sold, it was blamed on McDowell by everyone bar the PD's, all presumed that it was a temporary blip.  The people however had a fair idea what was coming down the tracks, remember what voters (including some on here, bless) - "better the devil we know", "FF a safe pair of hands :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D" etc, why didn't FG/Lab take them on, stop going along with FF's rosy pictures and say, no, we're fcuked and we don't want the same idiots who got us into this mess to try and navigate a way back out of it.

Kenny public was against Benchmarking and has always called for public sector reform.
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