2008 Ulster Club Championships

[Hardy]

You wouldnt dive like that sideline

I dont think Mc Entee even touched him. From the ref's position it was very difficult to see if there was contact. He assumed there had been contact when Conway fell to the ground clutching his face.

And there's the problem - referees making inferences based on players' reactions, rather than relying on what they or the other officials see. He can't have seen a hit because there was none, so what did he blow the whistle for? And why did he send McEntee off for something he never saw, without consulting the linesmen? If players are to be confirmed in the belief that you can get at least a free and with luck your opponent sent off simply by pretending you were hit, whether the ref sees it or not, we'll be seeing more, not less, of this stuff.  Time for the referees steering group, or whatever they're called, to take hold of this situation and at least tell refs that they have to SEE the foul themselves, or else get confirmation from the other officials before making a decision.

[under the bar]

Ballinderry did 'an Armagh' on Cross.  Lucky boyz to get a 2nd bite.  Will need  to improve drastically to win it.

[amigo]

Did nobody else notice that Oisin took nine steps for his goal yesterday!! I replayed it a few times and counted the steps. Admittedly he was probably fouled in the lead up but nine steps is still nine steps !!!!

[full back]

Did nobody else notice that Oisin took nine steps for his goal yesterday!! I replayed it a few times and counted the steps. Admittedly he was probably fouled in the lead up but nine steps is still nine steps !!!!

Probably
He had his jersey pulled, how is it probably?
Referee's will give the benefit to the player that is fouled if they are letting play continue

[corn02]

Only able to see bits of yesterday's game - the first 20 and the last five. What I saw was entertaining. Cross were not getting much them, which is weird because the ref always gives them plenty. In saying that they had a forward booked for striking - why was it not red? The radio made out that a Ballinderry player got a yellow for a similar offence about half an hour in.

[SidelineKick]

I thought Oisin's class came through with the way he finished the goal.  No panic just chose where to put it and slotted it in perfectly.

The two benches are very strong too which means the quality never really drops.  Has anyone heard if John McEntee is getting off??

And full back by that I don't mean has anyone heard that John McEntee should start a riot the next day  

[seamusthebard]

Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didnt pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.

He should have had two  straight reds in the first half

[Maximus Marillius]

A hell of a game yesterday, couldn't ask for any better. Went home, watched it again and it did not disappoint me. Firstly I have to give B'derry full credit for showing real balls. When the Cross walked into them phsically in the first half B'derry really struggled to find their form and a few of the shams big neam players like Crook, Gilligan and James Conway simply didn't want to know. Davis Mc kenna destryed Conway in the middle of the park. The second half was the Enda Muldoon show as he along with Big Niall and Devlin pulled Ballinderry back into the game. The shams will know they got off the hook with Darren Conway being a disgrace getting Mc Entee sent off...cheating ...no other way to describe it. If John Mac had remained on the pitch it was game over. This was the turning point in the game and how the ref saw fit to send Mc Entee off for something he didn't do, which means the ref did not see it is unreal. It would be a real travesty if Mc Entee doesn't get the red card recinded. The ballinderry manegement deserve great credit for moving Big Niall to the edge of the square, it worked a treat, great finish too. Final point I thought the ref was simply out of his depth for such an important game. I just lost count of the number of decesions he got wrong with Mc Entees sending off being the most obvious. When I watched the game on DVD at home it really drove home to me how poor he was as the ref. 

[Jinxy]

Did nobody else notice that Oisin took nine steps for his goal yesterday!! I replayed it a few times and counted the steps. Admittedly he was probably fouled in the lead up but nine steps is still nine steps !!!!

The steps rule does not apply to Oisín.

[SidelineKick]

Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didnt pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.

He should have had two  straight reds in the first half

Quite an unhelpful addition Seamus, can you answer my question please?

[brokencrossbar1]

The two main points most people are making are about the the sending off and the Ballinderry goal, and all I will say about them is the referee/umpires got both wrong. 

It was a very intense game., and I have to take issue with some of the posters here, Indiana, in respect of the negativity.  Some of the football from Cross was excellent particulalry in the first half.  TK's fisted point, Stephen's point, Mickey Mac's unreal score in the second half, Murtagh's point and Oisin's goal, which should be used as an example to any young forward of what you do in a one on one situation with the keeper.  Reminiscent of the big brother with that one I think   Indiana the game against UCC and the Final against Na Fianna was when the team I played on were at our peak.  The game was played differently then, we played longer first time ball and this allowed more fluidity.  Also the opposition let us play football, which doe not happen these days at all as there is so much at stake. I actually rate this team as footballers probably better slightly in ability than we were back then, but we were different and stronger in other ways.

I thought that for Cross Skinny and Paul McKeown were excellent in the back line, as was JD.  Pity he never learned though to pass, thank God I don't play with him anymore   The midfield diamond of the twins and Titch were unreal.  There were two shoulders that Tony hit which were text book bone rattlers and a perfect example of how to do it.  He is the best I have ever seen at doing it.  Mickey was great in the forward line, but the rest of the forwards can step up a bit more, so there is work to be done. 
Fair play to Ballinderry, as they showed serious chacter to get back into it and Muldoon was the pick of them.

Hopefully the Ulster disciplinary board will deal with the appeal for the red card quickly and not drag their heels.

[goal and a point]

The referee is getting alot of stick for his performance. Alot of frees were awarded but 2 of the sending offs were dictated by his linesman as far as i could see

[goh4205]

Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didn't pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.

He should have had two  straight reds in the first half

Quite an unhelpful addition Seamus, can you answer my question please?

Sideline, he got a 2nd booking for been involved with the sub who came on to curb him & tried to rape him when he made a run for the ball, infact McNamee's short were at his knees at one stage and the linesman must have imply ed that they were both at it.  I didn't see the McEntee incident, but McNamee's was a disgrace also.

Can I also point out that as a gael, no matter were you come from we all love our great game, but some of the language from the Ballinderry management & their supports during & after the game was the worst I've ever heard.
When Aaron Kernan was taking a free from the stand side in the 1st half the Ballinderry manager was shouting "You south Armagh Bastard"..  what sort of example is that to set to your own players, never mind the supports that follow them.

I've often heard of the thuggery that goes on in Derry Championships, now I know why.

[corn02]

Indiana the game against UCC and the Final against Na Fianna was when the team I played on were at our peak.  The game was played differently then, we played longer first time ball and this allowed more fluidity. 

  I arrived from Spain that morning and went straight to the game, sunburned to the bit in agony as 15 skulls and crossbones ran around the field. Is my memory playing up or is that the day McEntee grabbed the poor doggie by the neck and hurled him. 

[goh4205]

The referee is getting alot of stick for his performance. Alot of frees were awarded but 2 of the sending offs were dictated by his linesman as far as i could see

you a correct & it was the same linesman both times.