GAA player test positive in drugs test.

[INDIANA]

Think the thread's a joke, results shouldn't be made public unitl the matter is dealth with by the relevent authorities. I doubt very much anyone would use an astmatic steroid to increase muscle mass or whatever as they are the easiest to detect. there is plenty of other shite that can be taken for that purpose that wouldn't be found. I don't think there is a story here at all, except some poor sod is going to have his name dragged through the mud in the media and other kangaroo courts like here.

[jodyb]

Guys, a lot of very naive posts here from people that don't seem to understand some of the issues. If the lad has only taken an inhaler he should be able to explain his way out of it but I'm sceptical.

The basic fact that some people don't seem to fully understand is that Salbutamol is a steroid. If taken in high enough doses it can act as an anabolic agent to increase protein synthesis and build up muscle. So the simple reason Salbutamol is a banned substance is because it can very definitely be used as an anabolic steroid, a term most sports people will be very aware of and understand.

This is a pretty serious matter and deserves to be fully investigated and not just dismissed, as some have done here, as a simple inhaler issue.

All that said, for the sake of everyone involved I really hope this is a simple mix up.

Salbutamol is absolutely not a Steroid.... Anabolic or otherwise!! Some salbutamol based inhalers may contain small amounts of corticosteroids, but salbutamol itself is not a steroid.

[ONeill]

Definitely not a steriod AFS, like becotide.

[Main Street]

It should also be noted that the doctor connected to the Kerry team would be acutely aware of a players medical condition if asthma was the issue. It would be astonishing in the extreme if he did not check out the type of inhaler being used.

An athlete can only legally use a listed substance present in medication if they have an exemption from the drug supervisory board.
Any test result would be able to determine the level found in the body. The level found would determine just how much was being consumed and be compared with the prescribed dose (if there is a prescription)
And even if there is a prescription there should be paperwork to prove that the prescription existed at the time of consumption.
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Asthmatics beat non Asthmatics

Legalized doping   from USA today

Up to 40 percent of riders have doctor's notes allowing them to use drugs often prescribed for asthma that would normally be banned. Critics decry the practice, which is allowed under World Anti-Doping Agency rules.

"This is a global joke," said Dr. Werner Franke, a German doping expert. "You'll always find a doctor who will write down a few notes that you have asthma-like difficulties in breathing.

On the 40 percent of riders in the Tour de France have doctor's notes allowing them to use drugs often prescribed for asthma
"It would be fair to have two Tours de France - one for the asthmatics and one for non-asthmatics," he said. "The funny result would be that the asthmatics would be much faster.".

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-07-20-3694433468_x.htm

[pintsofguinness]

I can't believe the amount of people desperately trying to sweep this on under the carpet. 
It would seem you would rather have drug cheats in the gaa (though I'm not saying this fella is a cheat) than to have negative stories in the press. 

[INDIANA]

Main Street you're comparing the most corrupt professional sport in the world to an amateur sport. now while there maybe a few dumb idiots out there on the juice, i don't believe for one second that is a pandemic of ashmatic steroid abuse in an amateur sport where there is little or no financial gain. The doctors on those professional teams are as corrupt as the bloody cyclists themselves as has been proven. Now I don't believe the county team doctors are in that bracket, is that what you and pints are saying?

This should never have been made public until ALL the facts of the situation are known. There is a thing called due process.

[youngfella]

Is it april fools day already?

[mattockranger]

Just adding a different perspective to the debate.

In terms of punishment if the player in question is found guilty

will he lose his all-ireland medals??......


Or if he was a tyrone player found guilty in this years championship would he lose his all-ireland medal??

[ludermor]

Can i get a PM as well, the curiosity is getting the better of me

[pintsofguinness]

booj

You dont think there is any excuse? A player could do something as simple as take a panadol or a Lemsip and he may fail this drugs test.Do we now expect our County footballers to read every last ingredient of everything that they put into their systems now?
I dont care if its a Cavan Footballer or a Kerry footballer,this shit should never be brought to the media and whoever has highlighted it is f**king Low Lifer.This poor lad could be ruined over this if his name gets out,(which no doubt it will).Its a disgrace.
Amateurs expected to act as professionals in every way.

Yes.  They've signed up to these drug regulations haven't they? If they had issues with them then they shouldn't have signed up to them, they should have been raising their concerns at the time about panadol or lemsip not now when someone is caught. 
I assume these drug regulations are the same used in other sports so what's the issue?

[boojangles]

booj

You dont think there is any excuse? A player could do something as simple as take a panadol or a Lemsip and he may fail this drugs test.Do we now expect our County footballers to read every last ingredient of everything that they put into their systems now?
I dont care if its a Cavan Footballer or a Kerry footballer,this shit should never be brought to the media and whoever has highlighted it is f**king Low Lifer.This poor lad could be ruined over this if his name gets out,(which no doubt it will).Its a disgrace.
Amateurs expected to act as professionals in every way.

Yes.  They've signed up to these drug regulations haven't they? If they had issues with them then they shouldn't have signed up to them, they should have been raising their concerns at the time about panadol or lemsip not now when someone is caught. 
I assume these drug regulations are the same used in other sports so what's the issue?

What are ya talking about Pints? Players dont sign up to Drug regulations.
This is an amateur sport,so its not like the regulations of other sports.

[Main Street]

Main Street you're comparing the most corrupt professional sport in the world to an amateur sport. now while there maybe a few dumb idiots out there on the juice, i don't believe for one second that is a pandemic of ashmatic steroid abuse in an amateur sport where there is little or no financial gain.

I wrote accuratly enough about the process in how guilt has to be determined and proven.
Not comparing it to the TdF. Not my intention.
I have stressed from the beginning that this is a serious matter, even if it is judged at it's minimum -  it's astonishing carelessness.

The doctors on those professional teams are as corrupt as the bloody cyclists themselves as has been proven. Now I don't believe the county team doctors are in that bracket, is that what you and pints are saying?

Not at all.

The TdF story is a good one.  Take it for what it is. I don't know anything about the cycling world.

This should never have been made public until ALL the facts of the situation are known. There is a thing called due process.

Maybe so. The player has been called to face due process.
If he has not got an exemption then it is just a matter for Irish sports council to determine the level of culpability and punishment. There is no  "forgot" "didnt know"  "just given a few blasts"  get out jail card.

[pintsofguinness]

What are ya talking about Pints? Players dont sign up to Drug regulations.
This is an amateur sport,so its not like the regulations of other sports.

The GAA signed up.
Would you rather a GAA with or without drug testing?
I didn't hear any crying about this until now, when someone is caught.

[boojangles]

What are ya talking about Pints? Players dont sign up to Drug regulations.
This is an amateur sport,so its not like the regulations of other sports.

The GAA signed up.
Would you rather a GAA with or without drug testing?
I didn't hear any crying about this until now, when someone is caught.

Yes the GAA signed up,big difference.I dont really see the need for drug-testing in the GAA no.The most players are gonna be taking is Creatine and Protein shakes and that stuff.They are widely available and have been around for years.Most Inter-County players are at it.It improves players performance and recovery,which I feel is a good thing.I havent seen any Ben Johnsons running around Croke Park lately.

[RMDrive]

The GAA's anti-doping programme is still in its infancy so in one way I reckon it's good that it will get to look at this situation, find out that it was just an error, and let everyone get one with things. Better that the system is tested with a minor inhaler case rather than a more serious case cause, let's face it, knowing the GAA what are the chances there will be some loop-hole somewhere?
It's a shame all right that it was released to the media now but perhaps it had to be seeing that a suspension was handed down? And it's not as if Frankie Sheahan has suffered because of the mix-up with him. I'm sure it will end up the same way with this player.
And something like this was bound to happen as some stage anyway.