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[GTP]

Israel has been indiscriminately slaughtering Gazan civilians and stealing Palestinian land long before Robbie Keane decided to go.

And will continue to do so as RK has absolutely no bearing on Isreal's foreign or domestic policies. He managed a football team in a country which was not subject to an international sporting boycott and was not an international pariah (regardless of whether you have the opinion it should have been or should be now).  Unless there is direct evidence, he supported the Israeli position in Palestine, holds a political viewpoint or has conducted himself in a way which makes him untenable as the manager of Celtic Football Club then he should be judged on merit as to his ability to manage a football team.
If Jurgen Klopp said he would take the job do we expect him to condemn Israeli aggression in Palestine and prove that he has never done anything we perceive as pro-Isreal before he takes the job.

[Armagh18]

Israel has been indiscriminately slaughtering Gazan civilians and stealing Palestinian land long before Robbie Keane decided to go.

And will continue to do so as RK has absolutely no bearing on Isreal's foreign or domestic policies. He managed a football team in a country which was not subject to an international sporting boycott and was not an international pariah (regardless of whether you have the opinion it should have been or should be now).  Unless there is direct evidence, he supported the Israeli position in Palestine, holds a political viewpoint or has conducted himself in a way which makes him untenable as the manager of Celtic Football Club then he should be judged on merit as to his ability to manage a football team.
If Jurgen Klopp said he would take the job do we expect him to condemn Israeli aggression in Palestine and prove that he has never done anything we perceive as pro-Isreal before he takes the job.

Was Klopp managing in Isreal?

[JollyGreenGiant]

I really struggle to buy into the idea that Keane made a political statement (implicitly) by taking a job in Israel. When you consider examples of sportswashing, Keane's decision to manager there does not come with an endorsement (or otherwise) of the government of the country. The same applied to countless Irish footballers who have worked in England during the occupation of Ireland. Other Irish footballers in recent memory have worked in countries like Russia and Iran and I think it would be preposterous to claim that they were endorsing those regimes or their actions.

What is often forgotten is that not only has Keane got the enmity of pro-Palestine activists, he also has it from Zionists who believe he said nothing about what happened.

But on a related note, surely MON is the obvious choice?

[Snapchap]

Israel has been indiscriminately slaughtering Gazan civilians and stealing Palestinian land long before Robbie Keane decided to go.

And will continue to do so as RK has absolutely no bearing on Isreal's foreign or domestic policies. He managed a football team in a country which was not subject to an international sporting boycott and was not an international pariah (regardless of whether you have the opinion it should have been or should be now).  Unless there is direct evidence, he supported the Israeli position in Palestine, holds a political viewpoint or has conducted himself in a way which makes him untenable as the manager of Celtic Football Club then he should be judged on merit as to his ability to manage a football team.
If Jurgen Klopp said he would take the job do we expect him to condemn Israeli aggression in Palestine and prove that he has never done anything we perceive as pro-Isreal before he takes the job.

No harm but that's a nonsense of a post.

And will continue to do so as RK has absolutely no bearing on Isreal's foreign or domestic policies.

Literally nobody said he has.

He managed a football team in a country which was not subject to an international sporting boycott and was not an international pariah (regardless of whether you have the opinion it should have been or should be now).

You can just say "regardless of whether you have the opinion it should have been" such a boycott. There absolutely should have been. Any anyone with a conscience should have been boycotting Israel long before Oct 7th 2023. The BDS movement was a worldwide one long before 2023 and for good reason. Perhaps if more people DID carry out such a sports boycott, then ther emight have been a positive result, just as was the case with Apartheid South Africa.

Unless there is direct evidence, he supported the Israeli position in Palestine, holds a political viewpoint or has conducted himself in a way which makes him untenable as the manager of Celtic Football Club then he should be judged on merit as to his ability to manage a football team.

That might be your opinion. Mine is that he didn't have to come out and say he supported Israel. His actions tell me that at the very least, he was prepared to ignore it for money. I'm not arguing that being so morally f**king bankrupt imacts one's ability to manage Celtic, but it does impact on one's suitability.

If Jurgen Klopp said he would take the job do we expect him to condemn Israeli aggression in Palestine and prove that he has never done anything we perceive as pro-Isreal before he takes the job.

What sort of an odd question is that? Who is advocating asking all potential managerial candidates their views on a middle east conflict first? Precisely nobody. Their views are their own if they keep them to themselves. But if Jurgen Klopp, Robbie Keane or anyone else, actually managed in Israel, and repeatedly tried to justify that decision, then I wouldn't want someone that morally vacuous being next nor near Celtic.

[Snapchap]

I really struggle to buy into the idea that Keane made a political statement (implicitly) by taking a job in Israel. When you consider examples of sportswashing, Keane's decision to manager there does not come with an endorsement (or otherwise) of the government of the country.

When the world was boycotting South Afria during Apartheid, wouldn't you agree that refusing to get involved in the boycott was often a statement in itself?
It's up for debate whether Keane actively endorsed Israeli crimes against humanity, but what not up for debate is that he was prepared to ignore them for his own financial gain. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but it does make him a c**t.

[JollyGreenGiant]

I really struggle to buy into the idea that Keane made a political statement (implicitly) by taking a job in Israel. When you consider examples of sportswashing, Keane's decision to manager there does not come with an endorsement (or otherwise) of the government of the country.

When the world was boycotting South Afria during Apartheid, wouldn't you agree that refusing to get involved in the boycott was often a statement in itself?
It's up for debate whether Keane actively endorsed Israeli crimes against humanity, but what not up for debate is that he was prepared to ignore them for his own financial gain. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but it does make him a c**t.

I'll advised and worthy of criticism, but not a statement in itself. Like I said there are other examples such as Irish players playing in England during occupation. And yet it would be obtuse to claim that there was an implicit statement made as a result. If Ireland had qualified for the FIFA World Cup this year would we be clamouring for Ireland to stay behind on the back of what has happened in Venezuela and Iran this year? Or in 2018 we nearly went to Russia while they were still occupying Crimea.

[No1]

Any chance we could keep this to Celtic and soccer?  You can always set up a separate Robbie Keane thread if so desired.

[Snapchap]

I really struggle to buy into the idea that Keane made a political statement (implicitly) by taking a job in Israel. When you consider examples of sportswashing, Keane's decision to manager there does not come with an endorsement (or otherwise) of the government of the country.

When the world was boycotting South Afria during Apartheid, wouldn't you agree that refusing to get involved in the boycott was often a statement in itself?
It's up for debate whether Keane actively endorsed Israeli crimes against humanity, but what not up for debate is that he was prepared to ignore them for his own financial gain. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but it does make him a c**t.

I'll advised and worthy of criticism, but not a statement in itself. Like I said there are other examples such as Irish players playing in England during occupation. And yet it would be obtuse to claim that there was an implicit statement made as a result. If Ireland had qualified for the FIFA World Cup this year would we be clamouring for Ireland to stay behind on the back of what has happened in Venezuela and Iran this year? Or in 2018 we nearly went to Russia while they were still occupying Crimea.

https://x.com/Tamer_Alnoaizy/status/2062687084398186762

While 40 miles away, Robbie was posting instagram photos of himself and his wife enjoying a bbq by the pool. In full knowledge.

You can throw out all the hypotheticals you want. Bottom line is he is still morally repugnant.

[Snapchap]

Any chance we could keep this to Celtic and soccer?  You can always set up a separate Robbie Keane thread if so desired.

I've said my last on it 

[JollyGreenGiant]

I really struggle to buy into the idea that Keane made a political statement (implicitly) by taking a job in Israel. When you consider examples of sportswashing, Keane's decision to manager there does not come with an endorsement (or otherwise) of the government of the country.

When the world was boycotting South Afria during Apartheid, wouldn't you agree that refusing to get involved in the boycott was often a statement in itself?
It's up for debate whether Keane actively endorsed Israeli crimes against humanity, but what not up for debate is that he was prepared to ignore them for his own financial gain. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but it does make him a c**t.

I'll advised and worthy of criticism, but not a statement in itself. Like I said there are other examples such as Irish players playing in England during occupation. And yet it would be obtuse to claim that there was an implicit statement made as a result. If Ireland had qualified for the FIFA World Cup this year would we be clamouring for Ireland to stay behind on the back of what has happened in Venezuela and Iran this year? Or in 2018 we nearly went to Russia while they were still occupying Crimea.

https://x.com/Tamer_Alnoaizy/status/2062687084398186762

While 40 miles away, Robbie was posting instagram photos of himself and his wife enjoying a bbq by the pool. In full knowledge.

You can throw out all the hypotheticals you want. Bottom line is he is still morally repugnant.

They aren't hypotheticals. They are real life analogies. That's not to say, I agree with Keane's behaviour.

[SaffronSports]

Any chance we could keep this to Celtic and soccer?  You can always set up a separate Robbie Keane thread if so desired.

This is about Celtic tbf. He's very much in line to become Celtic manager and the support have issues with that.

Imo, he should be nowhere near it before his morals are even considered.

He walked into Ferencvaros who had won multiple titles in a row and failed in his first full season so when faced with the exact same situation he will face at Celtic, he failed so why is he being considered?

I genuinely think Desmond is a big enough bastard and hates the Celtic support so much that the political side of the Keane appointment is his biggest factor in wanting him.

The board are a shambles and i think Celtic need a man who can squeeze every ounce of whats there. That's Martin O'Neill. The only reason it shouldn't be him is if HE decides he's not able for it. Not some lad on an internet forum, HIM.

[GTP]

What sort of an odd question is that? Who is advocating asking all potential managerial candidates their views on a middle east conflict first? Precisely nobody. Their views are their own if they keep them to themselves.

As long as someone doesn't tell us they support Isreal or other human rights abuse they can manage Celtic. But if they happen to have worked in a country we don't like because of human rights abuse whilst never to the best of my knowledge having done or said anything in support of the abuse they are "a c**t" and "morally f**king bankrupt".
Seems straightforward enough.
During his time managing Liverpool, he [Jurgen Klopp] faced Israeli side Maccabi Haifa in the UEFA Champions League. The two-legged tie took place in the third qualifying round of the 2006–07 season.
As anyone with a conscience should have been boycotting Israel long before Oct 7th 2023, someone with a better sense of judgement than me can decide if it rules him and anyone else who didn't participate in the boycott that should have been, as a potential Celtic manager
I'll let others judge what is nonsense and leave it at that.

[Milltown Row2]

Ronny Deila and Cruyff looked after that team too... No doubt there will be many more

[SaffronSports]

Martin it is...correct decision. Delighted. In and about them MON.

[dec]

on a one year deal

so really just a slightly longer temporary deal until they can get someone else