County Manager Merry go round

[naka]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

I used to think the same but looking back now he got Armagh back competitive again and challenging and got us back to division 1 level.  Managers are judged on results and prizes of course but there is something to be said for a manager who can galvanise a squad, get them believing and buying into him. Nobody leaves the panel, nobody. He has also maximised the playing resources available to him based on slim pickings from underage. 

And no overly strong Crossmaglen team to draw from.  2015 their last Ulster senior win and no Armagh team has reach the Ulster senior final since. Furthermore St. Patrick's Cullyhanna in 2023 was the first ever Armagh club to win the Ulster Intermediate Club Football Championship.

Mc geeney has gotten Armagh back at the top table
Underage is poor yet every year he finds one or two players.
He has done a fabulous job .

[Ethan Tremblay]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Unlike Tyrone, Armagh don't seem to have the same rate of high standard players coming through from underage, he could only do so much in those early days.  As an Armagh man. to get them back competing is something in itself.     

You would imagine O'Rourke will be at the helm of Tyrone for 4/5years at least (barring a disaster).  On the back of 3 AI u20 winning sides I would expect big things from Tyrone in next few years. 

So far he has not won an Ulster and gotten them relegated from division 1.  Not a great start for him. 

 

Don't think any team would wait 5 years for a championship win. Armaagh had

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Unlike Tyrone, Armagh don't seem to have the same rate of high standard players coming through from underage, he could only do so much in those early days.  As an Armagh man. to get them back competing is something in itself.     

You would imagine O'Rourke will be at the helm of Tyrone for 4/5years at least (barring a disaster).  On the back of 3 AI u20 winning sides I would expect big things from Tyrone in next few years. 

So far he has not won an Ulster and gotten them relegated from division 1.  Not a great start for him. 

 

Agree not a great start but don't think we will wait 5 years for a championship win without changing the manager. Armagh had good players during that period, don't think you can say its all down to the players. Good managers inspire players and develop tactics that suit the team. Mcgeeney was there in backroom from 2013 to 2015 then as manager from 2015 to now. Essentially 12 years without an ulster title.

I don't think yous will have to wait too long for success either, unfortunately for the rest of us.  Given Tyrone underage success this past few years, there is more pressure on O'Rourke to deliver than there ever was with McGeeney. 

He has got us competitive which is the main thing. 

Anyways, back to business McConville will remain with Wicklow for another 2 year stint it seems.  I think he will eye up the Armagh role eventually. 

You would think the Derry CB have someone lined up that they couldn't turn down hence their decision making at the moment.

[93-DY-SAM]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

I used to think the same but looking back now he got Armagh back competitive again and challenging and got us back to division 1 level.  Managers are judged on results and prizes of course but there is something to be said for a manager who can galvanise a squad, get them believing and buying into him. Nobody leaves the panel, nobody. He has also maximised the playing resources available to him based on slim pickings from underage. 

And no overly strong Crossmaglen team to draw from.  2015 their last Ulster senior win and no Armagh team has reach the Ulster senior final since. Furthermore St. Patrick's Cullyhanna in 2023 was the first ever Armagh club to win the Ulster Intermediate Club Football Championship.

Mc geeney has gotten Armagh back at the top table
Underage is poor yet every year he finds one or two players.
He has done a fabulous job .

Yes, but the point being made is that it took him 6/7 years to get there. Not many managers get 2/3 years, never mind the time that has been afforded to McGeeney.

[tiempo]

Fair to say McGeeney is the Armagh equivalent to Jim McGuinness, loads of counties are crying out for this messiah type figure, when they come along and are clearly bursting their ass to pull a team forward then the smart CB leaves them to it, I'd suggest few in Armagh were anyway interested in the job going back 5-10 years ago, Geezer has earned the right to fail quite hard having eventually over-delivered

Talk of a settled squad and finding 1 or 2 to add a year as if its revolutionary, kinda turned it into a Club Armagh, you need time to achieve this, great to see the centre of excellence well on its way too, Armagh gaels have had their ups and downs, their efforts deserve a place at the top table

What Cork, Antrim, Derry and others wouldn't do for a McGeeney/McGuinness type from within their ranks

[Look-Up!]

Know what you're getting at but McGeeney and McGuinness very different types. I'd imagine Jim's type of management has a short shelf life before players start getting sick of him.

[rodney trotter]

True, McGuinness said when he took over Donegal the 1st time it would be a 4 year project. It's hard to see him going past 4 years in his second spell. He intends to go back into soccer someday.

[small white mayoman]

True, McGuinness said when he took over Donegal the 1st time it would be a 4 year project. It's hard to see him going past 4 years in his second spell. He intends to go back into soccer someday.

Will he really ? Don't soccer teams have to travel , can't see him doing that .

[tiempo]

       

[tyrone08]

Know what you're getting at but McGeeney and McGuinness very different types. I'd imagine Jim's type of management has a short shelf life before players start getting sick of him.

Same as gallagher. Players buy into it but the training and work involved has a short lifespan as players cant sustain it. If you dont win within 2-3 years it aint going to happen.

[larryin89]

How many years has mcgeaney been in charge of Armagh, 11 I think , how many times has he got to the last four ? He won it last year am I right in saying that's their only year they reached semi under his leadership, if there was ever an example of history is written by the victors .

[twohands!!!]

How many years has mcgeaney been in charge of Armagh, 11 I think , how many times has he got to the last four ? He won it last year am I right in saying that's their only year they reached semi under his leadership, if there was ever an example of history is written by the victors .

If Tyrone beat Kerry on Saturday, it will make Armagh's capitulation against Kerry look even worse, especially given how powerless the line seemed to be when the game was in the melting pot.

The next few years could get very interesting, especially if there is no more silverware delivered.
McGeeney seems such an addict that I can definitely see there being a chance of him over-staying his welcome.

[DuffleKing]

Is the Derry direction of travel in management terms not blindingly obvious here?

[Smokin Joe]

Is the Derry direction of travel in management terms not blindingly obvious here?

Go on

[Gael85]

Is Brennan not jumping the gun thinking he has the Dublin job?
He is still not proven yet. He took over a county that was already going places because of Mickey Harte's input.

Brennan was stepping down regardless of Dublin job. Gives Louth plenty of time to appoint a new manager.

[DaleCooper]

Harte is staying with Offaly unless he pulls a Louth move 😅