Ulster Championship 2025

[WT4E]

Overall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!

on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.

Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.

I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.

It was a free for me, harte was charging in. If it happened to tyrone I would have been saying it was a free as well.

Go watch Cathair O'Kanes post from the stand side angle.

I was certain it was a free and couldn't understand why the Tyrone players where so annoyed on camera. If you see the other angle Petey Harte is running over to tackle and as he is getting there Turbitt changes angle to create space and he clatters himself into Harte. Harte can do zero only stay where he is. No Free!

[illdecide]

How to you work that out...Armagh player was fouled for winning score, no argument with that. I want to see more physical hits and legal tackles where a good hard shoulder is not a free kick (does not apply to above), I want to see near hand tackling and a bit of pressure put on the forward without a free kick awarded (again does not apply to above).
I can't see a contradiction there at all, more physical game surely but when a player has been fouled he's fouled and he gets his free

[Estimator]

Overall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!

on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.

Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.

I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.

It was a free for me, harte was charging in. If it happened to tyrone I would have been saying it was a free as well.

Go watch Cathair O'Kanes post from the stand side angle.

I was certain it was a free and couldn't understand why the Tyrone players where so annoyed on camera. If you see the other angle Petey Harte is running over to tackle and as he is getting there Turbitt changes angle to create space and he clatters himself into Harte. Harte can do zero only stay where he is. No Free!

Cahair actually states in that post "Does look more of a foul from this side"

[Milltown Row2]

Was it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?

I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.

Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.

Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.

There was a directive about steps for that weekend and that was given to managers as far as I'm aware, seems Gough was teh only one that was hot on it..

[imtommygunn]

I would be very much in favour of the new rules but should they not draw a line in the sand for changes...

Also there's a good few games have went on in the championship already so you are starting to apply different standards to different games.

[tyrone08]

Was it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?

I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.

Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.

Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.

There was a directive about steps for that weekend and that was given to managers as far as I'm aware, seems Gough was teh only one that was hot on it..

Exactly my point, why weren't the other refs keen to implement it. They also clarified last week that any contact made to neck or head is a red card yet Murphy slapped a player in the jaw and got a yellow. No actual attempt at a tackle.

2 rules clarifed 2 days before football at the weekend but largely ignored by refs.   

[Main Street]

Firstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more  to watch Hurling for that side of the game.

It was a stonewall collision foul with no pretense to tackle, a straight forward decision for Gough to make and he won't shirk.

[thewobbler]

Firstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more  to watch Hurling for that side of the game.

There was hardly a single tackle made in the first half of last year's AI final.

The culture of risk averse football is going to take a while to resolve.

The common refereeing approach of "one on one, punish the defender for any challenge. Two on one, punish the forward for carrying it into contact", it's going to take a while to resolve too.

The 4-steps rule, if refereed with some vigour, will allow both of these to resolve more quickly.

For the more turnovers there are in a game, the less spotlight there will be on mistakes.

[Captain Obvious]

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.

A game that most pundits seem to forget about.

Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.

Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.

A game that most pundits seem to forget about.

Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.

Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.

Incredible record but it's still a defeat

[screenexile]

I'm not saying it was reffed perfectly all weekend but I definitely noticed an overcarrying call given in the Down Donegal game that wouldn't normally be given. I didn't watch all of the Dubs game so couldn't say anything about it really.

[JoG2]

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.

A game that most pundits seem to forget about.

Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.

Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.

Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?

[flowerpot]

Don't worry they have recorded Derry's wonderful league victory last year, some achievement fair play.

[JoG2]

Don't worry they have recorded Derry's wonderful league victory last year, some achievement fair play.

As they should. This boo hoo nonsense of 70 mins is juvenile stuff

[Captain Obvious]

Derry would love to be as hard to beat in 70 minutes football than the current mess they are in.