Armagh Club football & hurling

[Armagh18]

Think CE are a bit out ahead of the rest, though still a fairly open championship.

Cross/Clans who are probably next, along with Madden and Harps.

Don't think any of the rest would be part of the conversation. Possibly Killeavy... maybe Silverbridge.

Killeavy did push Clanns very close this year and Harps put it up to Clann Eireann well too Cross obviously had a very very tough year as a community off the field as well this year.

[statto]

Think CE are a bit out ahead of the rest, though still a fairly open championship.

Cross/Clans who are probably next, along with Madden and Harps.

Don't think any of the rest would be part of the conversation. Possibly Killeavy... maybe Silverbridge.

Killeavy did push Clanns very close this year and Harps put it up to Clann Eireann well too Cross obviously had a very very tough year as a community off the field as well this year.

Cullyhanna on their day could also cause most sides problems. 

[general_lee]

True but don't see Cullyhanna or Killeavy being able to put back to back performances together against the likes of CE, Cross, Harps etc

[Armagh18]

True but don't see Cullyhanna or Killeavy being able to put back to back performances together against the likes of CE, Cross, Harps etc

Yeah agree, but they definitely capable of knocking one of the big teams out, Cullyhanna especially.

[tonto1888]

True but don't see Cullyhanna or Killeavy being able to put back to back performances together against the likes of CE, Cross, Harps etc

Yeah agree, but they definitely capable of knocking one of the big teams out, Cullyhanna especially.

Think Kileavy need a win against one of the 'big' teams when it counts to give themselves a bit of confidence. I'd agree about Cullyhanna too but remains to be seen what happens there

[Armagh18]

True but don't see Cullyhanna or Killeavy being able to put back to back performances together against the likes of CE, Cross, Harps etc

Yeah agree, but they definitely capable of knocking one of the big teams out, Cullyhanna especially.

Think Kileavy need a win against one of the 'big' teams when it counts to give themselves a bit of confidence. I'd agree about Cullyhanna too but remains to be seen what happens there

Yeah you're right about Killeavy I'd say, who knows maybe if Conor O'Neill hadn't been out injured this year they could have beaten Clanns.

Anyway should be a fairly competitive championship over the next few years which can only be a good thing.

[Armagh18]

Lissummons motion passed last night apparently.

[statto]

True but don't see Cullyhanna or Killeavy being able to put back to back performances together against the likes of CE, Cross, Harps etc

Yeah agree, but they definitely capable of knocking one of the big teams out, Cullyhanna especially.

Felt Cullyhanna gave Cross too much respect in the quarter final this year and went in at half time 4 down from memory, when they threw the shackles off and really went for them caused Cross alot of bother. 

[lurganblue]

Lissummons motion passed last night apparently.

What was the details of that motion again?  No 2nd teams in the junior or intermediate championship?

[Orior]

Lissummons motion passed last night apparently.

What motion?

[general_lee]

From what I can tell Lissummon put in a motion blocking anymore than 3 IIs teams entering the JFC (or 16 teams overall). And Armagh being a county full of (too many) small clubs with their small club mentality voted in favour (funny they all cry about having to fork out £2k but not a peep when it comes to getting a full vote at convention lol).

All Junior clubs will automatically qualify regardless of league position, 2nds teams will be confined to a Junior B competition (so basically the Reserve championship has just been rebranded)

[Saffron_sam20]

From what I can tell Lissummon put in a motion blocking anymore than 3 IIs teams entering the JFC (or 16 teams overall). And Armagh being a county full of (too many) small clubs with their small club mentality voted in favour (funny they all cry about having to fork out £2k but not a peep when it comes to getting a full vote at convention lol).

All Junior clubs will automatically qualify regardless of league position, 2nds teams will be confined to a Junior B competition (so basically the Reserve championship has just been rebranded)

I think Antrim allowed 2nd and 3rd teams into junior and intermediate a good few years ago, think the problem is it stops smaller clubs from winning things, for example in Antrim a JFC will mean everything to a St Malachys/ Antrim where as it will mean next to nothing to a Cargin/ St Galls. Ive no issue with reserve teams playing league etc but I think Sen/int/Jun champ should be for clubs 1st teams.

[lurganblue]

From what I can tell Lissummon put in a motion blocking anymore than 3 IIs teams entering the JFC (or 16 teams overall). And Armagh being a county full of (too many) small clubs with their small club mentality voted in favour (funny they all cry about having to fork out £2k but not a peep when it comes to getting a full vote at convention lol).

All Junior clubs will automatically qualify regardless of league position, 2nds teams will be confined to a Junior B competition (so basically the Reserve championship has just been rebranded)

Entry into division 3 Ok for 2nds teams though yeah? 

I also assume that some of the 2nds teams in the intermediate will also be pulled from that championship now too?  Cross and CE for example

[general_lee]

From what I can tell Lissummon put in a motion blocking anymore than 3 IIs teams entering the JFC (or 16 teams overall). And Armagh being a county full of (too many) small clubs with their small club mentality voted in favour (funny they all cry about having to fork out £2k but not a peep when it comes to getting a full vote at convention lol).

All Junior clubs will automatically qualify regardless of league position, 2nds teams will be confined to a Junior B competition (so basically the Reserve championship has just been rebranded)

I think Antrim allowed 2nd and 3rd teams into junior and intermediate a good few years ago, think the problem is it stops smaller clubs from winning things, for example in Antrim a JFC will mean everything to a St Malachys/ Antrim where as it will mean next to nothing to a Cargin/ St Galls. Ive no issue with reserve teams playing league etc but I think Sen/int/Jun champ should be for clubs 1st teams.

It's a valid concern on the face of it but the reality is in 100+ years of 2nd teams playing Armagh JFC only a handful have won it and only 2 in the last 25 years. When you consider the best club side in Ireland at the time won 1 JFC in their pomp should dispel any notion of 2nd teams coming in to clean up.

[general_lee]

From what I can tell Lissummon put in a motion blocking anymore than 3 IIs teams entering the JFC (or 16 teams overall). And Armagh being a county full of (too many) small clubs with their small club mentality voted in favour (funny they all cry about having to fork out £2k but not a peep when it comes to getting a full vote at convention lol).

All Junior clubs will automatically qualify regardless of league position, 2nds teams will be confined to a Junior B competition (so basically the Reserve championship has just been rebranded)

Entry into division 3 Ok for 2nds teams though yeah? 

I also assume that some of the 2nds teams in the intermediate will also be pulled from that championship now too?  Cross and CE for example

As far as I know. The motion is on the Armagh Twitter. I think Cross II got relegated to Junior anyway, but I imagine CE II current intermediate status doesn't affect Lissummon et al's ambitions (yet).