Hurling 2024

[didlyi]

Good old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.

The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.

No rule changes are required.  For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.

This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.

If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.

If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.

Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.

If it looked like a throw in real time then IT IS A FOUL

It doesn't matter what the slow-mo shows

I agree but it seems many dont and that includes some refs. A ref recently interviwed by Colm parksinson said he only blows for what hes sure is a throw and not the majority that look like thows. So if they are not sure then they dont blow, which will never work in the long term. Only a rule change will sort it but there simply not enough of support right now for change...

[Milltown Row2]

You're saying it like it's broken.

Hurling is bringing some thrilling games, there are throws no doubt, but that's on the ref to control.

Players in all sports push the boundaries and plenty of fouls are not called in a game.

The games fine as it is, ref's could maybe get help from the other officials

[Armagh18]

Good old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.

The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.

No rule changes are required.  For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.

This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.

If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.

If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.

Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.

If it looked like a throw in real time then IT IS A FOUL

It doesn't matter what the slow-mo shows

I agree but it seems many dont and that includes some refs. A ref recently interviwed by Colm parksinson said he only blows for what hes sure is a throw and not the majority that look like thows. So if they are not sure then they dont blow, which will never work in the long term. Only a rule change will sort it but there simply not enough of support right now for change...

Does it really take away from the game that much if it is abit on the edge/borderline throw? Hurling is still  the best sport out there to watch imo. (As a casual fan who knows very little)

[Franko]

Good old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.

The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.

No rule changes are required.  For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.

This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.

If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.

If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.

Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.

If it looked like a throw in real time then IT IS A FOUL

It doesn't matter what the slow-mo shows

I agree but it seems many dont and that includes some refs. A ref recently interviwed by Colm parksinson said he only blows for what hes sure is a throw and not the majority that look like thows. So if they are not sure then they dont blow, which will never work in the long term. Only a rule change will sort it but there simply not enough of support right now for change...

First, to reiterate, I think it's fine as is.



But this had been my point all along - the rules are correct

It is the refs, players, coaches and supporters who are wrong

So why would we change the only part of the equation which is correct?

Educate our refs, players and coaches as to what the rules actually say, not what most of them think it says

The fans will soon follow suit

[didlyi]

So lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves

[Milltown Row2]

So lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves

I think and it's been shown a good few times, that the majority of these throws are legitimate hand passes but it's that minimal separation that's missed.

Examples have shown plenty of wrongful calls of throw balls

[didlyi]

So lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves

I think and it's been shown a good few times, that the majority of these throws are legitimate hand passes but it's that minimal separation that's missed.

Examples have shown plenty of wrongful calls of throw balls

Examples where the video had to be slowed down to a few frames per second to find the seperation. We never slow it down and exammine all the other throws unless there a free for it so how can you be so sure the rest of them have speration. Anyways as Ive said before even if theres a mm of seperation its still a throw and dont kid yoourslef its somehow a magical skill.

[Milltown Row2]

So lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves

I think and it's been shown a good few times, that the majority of these throws are legitimate hand passes but it's that minimal separation that's missed.

Examples have shown plenty of wrongful calls of throw balls

Examples where the video had to be slowed down to a few frames per second to find the seperation. We never slow it down and exammine all the other throws unless there a free for it so how can you be so sure the rest of them have speration. Anyways as Ive said before even if theres a mm of seperation its still a throw and dont kid yoourslef its somehow a magical skill.

I don't have to kid myself, I'm enjoying it, the game is just getting better and better. As for you saying if there is a mm of separation then it's hardly a throw.

As for throws there are a fair few 'throws' in football nowadays too

[Saffrongael]

What's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?

[Tony Baloney]

What's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

I'd say there aren't many in the modern game meeting that definition. Barry Kelly who knows something about refereeing says the vast majority are illegal.

[Milltown Row2]

What's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

I'd say there aren't many in the modern game meeting that definition. Barry Kelly who knows something about refereeing says the vast majority are illegal.

So, if there is a break in connection with ball and hand, is that throwing the ball?

[didlyi]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2024/11/23/johnny-murphy-on-refereeing-the-all-ireland-final-hand-on-heart-i-was-happy-with-the-way-it-went/

Good read this. And he mentions the throws aswell.

"Did he throw it? Did he not throw it? There must be clear and decisive separation [between the hand and the ball]. Clear and decisive is not a millimetre, it's three inches."

"But policing it is like handing out speeding tickets: every penalised player feels like a victim."

"That conflict has many miles to travel. Do players and managers know the rules? All of them? Not even on a need-to-know basis. Since the black card was introduced, for example, ignorance of its applications is widespread."

Johnny is a damn good ref and needs to be listened to.....

[johnnycool]

Tight oul game here in Mullingar.  CTG played with the wind but only got 3 points to show for it, but scores are hard to get.

It's been quite a while since I played in Mullingar, have the sidelines been brought in to make it a bit of a battle?

[marty34]

Super game. Like last week ref. letting everything go.

High in effort and intensity.

KK getting 2 late goals - one where the ball went over the half-back's head as he came out to meet it. Sun probbly in eyes.

CTG probably hadn't enough on the board at half-time with the strong breeze.

[marty34]

Pitch was ight but CTG had played a heap of games on it this year and it stood to them well.

Although I think the pitch was poor enough. Probably because of all the recent rain but it should have been cut a bit.

Maybe CTG wanted it that way.

If you look at The Athletics Ground last Saturday evening, the grass was nice and short and suitable for hurling.