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It's not about Vietnam Walter!

There's no way the owners can remain. I think the football regulator effectively has the power to remove them. 

Will be very surprised if the titles are not stripped from them.  How can they keep those titles in their name?  Can't see them being awarded to anyone else though.  No matter how this all plays out, Man City are finished at the top level.

[Their stock answer is tradition but traditions change.]

Nolan awful, now I remember why I don't watch or listen to him. Fair play to Dessie Trainor, I thought he acquitted himself well.

Not sure if you agree with me but I thought it was bad taste inviting Dessie onto the show as he's not trained (I wouldn't have thought so) to handle the media and them feckers taking advantage of him on the show. He did do well TBF but he looked vulnerable a bit and them rats facing him would not have been ideal for Dessie.

The one question I was hoping he'd ask them was directly to Buckley and say "are you an Orange man", which he would have ansewered "yes" and then Dessie should have asked him "Can I as a fellow Portadown man join your lodge". knowing too well as a Catholic that he would not have been allowed and then ask him "if your organisation is such a sectarian organisation then why would you want to march through a Nationalist area when there it a clear alternative route available to you to get back to your Hall/Church".

Dessie was only there because his mother was a protestant. Several times Buckley and Bryson referred to the 'mob' on Garvaghy Road while Dessie sat and took it.

What is disappointing is that Nolan never presses the unionists or the OO as to why the march has to go down the Garvaghy Road. Their stock answer is tradition but traditions change.

Unionists also say that they have the backing of the law. The high court stood by the Parades Commission decision, but that decision was made on completely inaccurate advice from the PSNI. That is why the OO will not be rushing to submit another application.

Yes, that's the counter to the tradition argument.  It was traditional to burn women at the stake as witches 300 years ago for thinking or acting differently.  Times move on.

I was going to ask on here, what does Bryson actually do for a living - what's his actual paid job - and what qualifications does he have to be advising on legal matters.  Didn't realise he had those qualifications, just assumed he was 'self taught'.  He might have some qualifications, but he's not a qualified solicitor is he?

Man City are an illusion of a club.  As Maroon Manc says, their true status is lower half of the premier league (at best) and every few years dropping down a division.  Their supporters have had a great time over the past 15 years, beyond their wildest dreams, but the party's over, and the hangover's due to kick in!

Will be very interesting to see how this affects them on the pitch rest of this season.

That's pretty poor taste.

If people continue to block the roads in huge numbers, how will the march go ahead?

It keeps Bryson and Lockhart in the spotlight, which is what they crave probably.

There's no way in this day and age that the police could ever start to move a 1000 people or more by force.  That's just not going to happen for various reasons.

I would love to know whether the OO in Portadown actually really believed they could get walking down that road?  Setting aside legal wrangling and in theory what they are permitted under law, did they really think in practice it would happen? Did they not understand that there would be people blocking the road and there was not a hope in hell of police physically removing them. If they thought they could actually carry it off they are incredibly stupid. If they didn't really believe it would happen, then it's all just a game to them and showmanship.

What a farce!

So, local opposition to a parade counts for nothing it seems.

George Gillette, 87, former co-owner of Liverpool. The club statement on the website isn't exactly effusive, which isn't surprising.  His sidekick Hicks only died a few months ago.

I've big doubts about Wirtz as well. Not seeing any improvement yet on last season.

[Tsimikas was shockingly bad in that first half in what should have been a great opportunity for him. Constantly giving the ball away]

Yeah, that was grim viewing. Not overly bothered though - it's going to take a while for Iraola to get the team playing the way he wants, and even then there are the issues with fullbacks and the base of midfield.

Tsimikas was shockingly bad in that first half in what should have been a great opportunity for him. Constantly giving the ball away. And the midfield weren't much better, particularly in connecting with the forwards.

Thought Fulham looked really good. By most accounts they've been unlucky so far, so I'd expect to see them start climbing the table.

Tsimikas should be nowhere near the team.  Just not at the level needed.