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Bryson now using the word "Nazis" to describe the garvaghy road protest. What a horrible c*nt he is

Has the CC said yet how the PSNI got the parade difficultly assessment so wrong?

That seems to be the key to the whole thing. Who in the PSNI made the bogus assessment that there'd be no trouble if the parade proceeded? If the Chief Constable signed off on that then he needs to go.

I can't understand why SF are not focusing more on this. This it the key area. Whoever made that decision should be pulled over the coals.

I'm not convinced they did get it wrong.

Humphries judgement set out the following.

The determination states that the police did carry out an assessment but no
specific information in relation to disorder was identified. That is not the same as saying there was no risk of disorder. In fact, the court was told that ACC Henderson did refer to various risks which had been considered by the police. A range of potential scenarios from an entirely peaceful passing off to violent disorder and all those potential scenarios had been mapped out by police and the appropriate responses were being considered.

[25] There was clearly detailed engagement by the Commission with senior police officers over a period of time at which intelligence assessments were considered and the PSNI's planning was explained to the Commissioners. The only proper conclusion to draw from those paragraphs of the determination when read together, is that public
disorder did feature in the consideration of the Commission in accordance with section 8 of the 1998 Act and the relevant guidance

So it seems the PSNI probably did provide the correct information as they understood it at the time.

So surely that would have been the same info as provided last year? In which case, what changed this year? I know one year doesn't impact another. But if a decision has followed for 28 years one way, surely there should be something that can be pointed to that's changed?
Did the PSNI give the same review/ verdict as previous years? Or was it a case that the PC were viewing this info differently this year? Something changed.

The below is an assessment by the police in a previous rejected case. I can't find the exact determination but I believe it's within the last two years.

"The police noted that the route can be deemed as sensitive and therefore have consequences on both the local community and further afield. They also noted that, since it was notified, local engagement and feedback from the community indicates that there is significant opposition to the parade. Regarding the plans that they would implement to ensure that the parade passes off peacefully, a large policing operation at short notice would be needed to facilitate the parade along the notified route. It was also noted that there is concern that supporters and those in opposition to the parade will assemble in the area, with this having the potential for disorder. To facilitate the parade along the notified route and the likely attendance of a large number of supporters from both communities could have a detrimental impact on community relations, the local community and further afield, with the potential for Portadown to once more become a focal point for disorder that could spread to other areas"

And then this is the accepted determination for sundays parade

"The police made both written and oral submissions, indicating that they, at the time of making them, had no information indicating that the parade would result in disorder or violence. They are planning for all reasonably likely scenarios, both known and unknown, in accordance with their legal obligations and the applicable policies and procedures. Their assessments will be updated on a continuous basis. Meetings have been held with the organiser, residents and political parties and local police are engaging with the community. They were unable to indicate the size and profile of the police deployment for the parade, as it would depend on the situation as it was at the time. The police stated that they would provide sufficient resources to police any parade that takes place, whether subject to conditions or not, and also any protest activity that may occur"

Is there going to be TV coverage?

It was on BBC 1 on the news

This might seem trivial but it bugs me that fuel is advertised in pence.9 eg 199.9p. Why not just advertise it as 200 as we know thats essentially what we are paying. Is it a pyschologlical thing?

Surely Tom McCarroll needs a run out for county team. Has the same sort of power and fielding ability as Murdock. Might allow Murdock to be rotated into full forward if needs be during a game

Is anyone else's downgaa.tv coverage shocking this evening?

Celtic lads have been playing header and volleys in training

Who was the Kerry player being a bit extra during the team handshakes?

Favourite sporting rivalries

Club
County
Other sports

Club - An Riocht v Longstone
County - Down v Armagh
Other sports - Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Murray 2005/2020
             - United vs the rest of the big 4 early 00's to early 10's

Has that dick Musk changed X again?

My layout is all  up the left.  Previews of videos showing. Can't seem to  get them off

There should be a setting in display settings to turn off autoplay videos. Certainly is for the app anyway. But yeah both browser and app have changed very recently and i'm not a fan of it

Did anyone back over 7.5 8.5 9.5 goals?

Tuchel might put on some defenders here and try to see out this match now

Up to England scoring they contained any threat Messi had, then after that allowed him to sit on the right wing and have influence on the game, he took every corner on the right wing the same? And they allowed it, it was obviously a training ground exercise but they switched off..

Inviting a team that good to push you back the large square for 20 odd minutes defending was never really going to end well

Taking Gordon off and going to a back 5 meant that there was no extra cover on that wing which completely freed up Messi,  and idiotic move.  If they were going to a back 5 I would have kept Gordon on but taken off Rice and gone to 3-4-3 with it going to 5 when out of possession.  That would have closed the space down on the wing but they went to a straight back 5 and tried to Tony Pulis the win!

I was surprised they didn't just put someone to man mark only messi and follow him about the pitch, kind of like what Fergie used to use Ji Sung Park and Mourinho with Ander Herrera. Mind you its a lot easier said than done. Would require elite discipline which is something the England players lacked

Did Messi foul Spence just prior to the second goal. I thought that at the time.

I haven't managed to see a close up of it but it looked like he did catch him. Spence didn't really make much of an incident about it

Ohh.. 5-2-2-1 from Tuchel. If that was Southgate he'd be hammered

Tbf Southgate would have played that the whole way through the tournament. Tuchel seems to try to adapt his formation based on the opposition